men or women?

[Testuo]

I just want to kno what people think.Do you think men are better or women are?

personally i think women are better mentally(cause even though they can be bitchy they r smarter then men in my opinion)but men r better physically(just cause we only have testicles and thats about the only thing we have to worry about)

[ddt705]

i was gona say something, but i changed my mind. both are at the same level

[Azumi]

men and women are both bitchy.... and they are of the same level. period.

[xsnowxwhitex]

women are smarter WILL live longer (cause they take care of them selfs) and way tougher (in character)than men more nice than men and have better taste in fashion than men X D

men:bitchy(except for my BF X D) mean(except for my BF)cheaters(except for my Bf)smoke alot(.....)

[nelsonkong]

men:bitchy(except for my BF X D) mean(except for my BF)cheaters(except for my Bf)smoke alot(.....)

emmm...except me as well....lol

[haka]

I say men can be I mean women take FOREVER to do ANYTHING!!!!!!
BUT WOMEN ARE STILL COOL BUT WE ARE STILL BETTER!!! :D :D :D

[kazu_chan]

men:bitchy(except for my BF X D) mean(except for my BF)cheaters(except for my Bf)smoke alot(.....)

I don't smoke ><

anyways yeah to say the truth both genders of course are on the same level unless we wanna go back to when everyone thought men were better (but of course we are)

[g4ara]

man of course .... man can pee while standing !!!! hehehe

[hesd]

I won't say women are better thinkers than men at least within my social sphere. But I would say that men are stronger physically than women. It's a biological fact.

Also, I see that what is actually the source of confusion is the prestige attached to a male or female activity. Simply put, if a male performs task Y, which is deemed by society to be more useful or whatever postitive trait that society associates with acivity Y, then males might appear better than females. Unfortunately, throughout history, males define what is better, what is more prestigious and usually these are acquired by them.
BTW, matriarchal societies put premium on activities of women--gathering of vegetables/foliage coz hunting, a male activity, contributes only a small fraction for communal subsistence.

[chibi-anbu]

Girls of course there way better then guys! XD

[naruto18]

i have to agree with azumi149 and haka

[fieldscarcrow]

i think woman she be but higher up on our "to be nice to" list,and guys,well although i am a guy,i have to say i hate them,well some.I hate guys that are white and act black,and beat woman. X_X

[palmereap]

that's true women in genrally are better then men but some men are better than women

[LightDreamer]

man of course .... man can pee while standing !!!! hehehe

Oooh now there's an accomplishment. Women can push a football sized object out of their uterus, how many guys can say that? Anyone CAN pee while standing, it's getting all of the piss in the toilet that really gets ya, and not all guys can even say THAT. Stupid people who pee on seats -__-

I believe there was was a thread like this before, something like who's stronger men or women. and I'll say the same thing I said last time, you can't catagorize all men and all women into the same group! There are some pretty bitchy and no doubt stupid girls that I rather prefer not to have any relation , what'soever too! The only thing you can say about about every single girl mentally is that they're somewhat overly emotional at times, and that's because of PMS. The only thing you can say about every single guy physically is that they're really good at not having boobs, with actual mammaral glands [I did not spell that right] not bossoms. [Okay that's an exageration but you get my point]YOu can't say every single guy in the world is stronger than every single girl in the world. And you can't say every single girl is smarter than every single guy! Where do you get your statistics? Out of your ass does not count.

And you definitely can't say one sex is better than the other, becuase one sex wouldn't be here without the other. DUH.

[ddt705]

yeah we both need each other ;)

[lilxvietxgurlx]

women=men
cuz we all have our differences :D

[Makoto_Duke_War_IV]

Such a dum question. >_<

[Sakatsu]

Where do you get your statistics? Out of your ass does not count.


LMFAO

both have strengths and weaknesses but together they can over come them.

[nelsonkong]

lol...i have to agree with lightdreamer...

[Loz_The_Riotous]

I agree with lightdreamer on this, mainly because he makes extremely valid points. But heres the catch, if you actually think one is better than the other, then your none to intellegent, because as previously stated it takes two to tango ;)

[Kaysa]

Depends on the person and their backgrounds, but in general, the differences between men and women boil down to their hormones.

[LightDreamer]

I agree with lightdreamer on this, mainly because he makes extremely valid points. But heres the catch, if you actually think one is better than the other, then your none to intellegent, because as previously stated it takes two to tango ;)

I'm a girl =T

[nma]

YOu can't say every single guy in the world is stronger than every single girl in the world.
But you can say that the best male sprinter is faster than the best female sprinter, and that the best male wrestler is stronger than the best female wrestler. Men are physically superior to women, you cant argue that. As for whose smarter, its who ever tries harder.

[LightDreamer]

But you can say that the best male sprinter is faster than the best female sprinter, and that the best male wrestler is stronger than the best female wrestler. Men are physically superior to women, you cant argue that. As for whose smarter, its who ever tries harder.

In the olympics who's female hockey team won over the male hockey team in canada? who's the better ballerina? [There's a lot of sports guys don't even dare compete in that girls are better in them in]

Wow 2 males in the entire population are better at a sport, out of HOW many males? Are you saying you're physically surperior to me? I doubt it. I could kick a lot of guys ass and you don't see me saying girls are physically stronger than guys. You can't say an entire gender of species is better than the othe based on 1 or 2 measley people. Hello? THere's more than 2 guys in the world. Once you're able to name every single guy in the world, and show me that they're stronger than every single girl in the world. Maybe juuuuust MAYBE I'll believe that guys are stronger than girls. -.- As for mentally, I hope you're not using yourself for this one.

[OffTheChain]

lol i agree with lightdreamer

Although if you think about it, without women, there would be no men. :/

[nma]

In the olympics who's female hockey team won over the male hockey team in canada? who's the better ballerina? [There's a lot of sports guys don't even dare compete in that girls are better in them in]

Wow 2 males in the entire population are better at a sport, out of HOW many males? Are you saying you're physically surperior to me? I doubt it. I could kick a lot of guys ass and you don't see me saying girls are physically stronger than guys. You can't say an entire gender of species is better than the othe based on 1 or 2 measley people. Hello? THere's more than 2 guys in the world. Once you're able to name every single guy in the world, and show me that they're stronger than every single girl in the world. Maybe juuuuust MAYBE I'll believe that guys are stronger than girls. -.- As for mentally, I hope you're not using yourself for this one.
If you pick a random man and woman from the street, both who are in decent shape, and have them go through a set of phsyical trials who do you think will come out on top? The man. Why? It all comes down to genetics. Women are not built the way men are, therefore they cannot do the same things that men can. Its a simple genetic truth.

Now I'm not saying that there arent women out there who aren't stronger than men. Hell, I know thats theres a shitload out there that canbenchpress me. But do you know why that is? Its because they have abnormally high levels of testosterone, the MALE sex horomone. Testosterone is whats responsible for muscle growth, its also responsible for secondary male characteristics like facial hair and deepening of the voice. Have you ever seen female weightlifters? If you have, you know that they lack a lot of female characteristics. But what they do have are smaller than average breasts, wide shoulders, deep voices and sometimes facial hair. Secondary male characteristics (obviously except for the breasts). If you dont believe in God, attribute it to evolution. Men are the hunters and women are the gatherers. However way you look at it, you come down with the same answer, men are generally physically superior to women. Ask your bio teacher about it.

And yes, I am saying that I'm physically superior to you. I'm a 18 year old man, and you're a 14 year old girl. Do we have to go any further?

Oh and btw, here a few olympic world records for sports ranging from weightlifting to archery. Wanna take a guess which gender has the best record in every category? Why not see for yourself.
http://www.olympic-usa.org/education/general_olympic_education/olympic_records.pdf

lol i agree with lightdreamer

Although if you think about it, without women, there would be no men. :/
And without men, there would be no women. I really hope you're joking.

[ichinii30]

all stands equal

[OffTheChain]

And without men, there would be no women. I really hope you're joking.

Of course I am, Im the most scarcastic person on the forum lol :/

Scientifically NMA is stronger than you lightdreamer, but not because of sexuality. Its because he happens to be older than you and sadly its somewhat in the genes for males to be stronger. Older people tend to be stronger than younger.

However I still stick to what most people said:

Everyone is equal and are strong and weak in their own way.

[flareofdragon]

-_- Women are better "organizers" and men are better "focusers." (Hunter and Gatherer theory again)

That being men in general has a higher sense of focus (intensity towards completing a goal, brought about by hunting), physically better, and are very straightforward (though if they get a plan, thats debatable). Women have a higher sense of organization (well in their head anyway), physically more flexible, and have a lot of underlying intentions.

[LightDreamer]

If you pick a random man and woman from the street, both who are in decent shape, and have them go through a set of phsyical trials who do you think will come out on top? The man. Why? It all comes down to genetics. Women are not built the way men are, therefore they cannot do the same things that men can. Its a simple genetic truth.

Now I'm not saying that there arent women out there who aren't stronger than men. Hell, I know thats theres a shitload out there that canbenchpress me. But do you know why that is? Its because they have abnormally high levels of testosterone, the MALE sex horomone. Testosterone is whats responsible for muscle growth, its also responsible for secondary male characteristics like facial hair and deepening of the voice. Have you ever seen female weightlifters? If you have, you know that they lack a lot of female characteristics. But what they do have are smaller than average breasts, wide shoulders, deep voices and sometimes facial hair. Secondary male characteristics (obviously except for the breasts). If you dont believe in God, attribute it to evolution. Men are the hunters and women are the gatherers. However way you look at it, you come down with the same answer, men are generally physically superior to women. Ask your bio teacher about it.

And yes, I am saying that I'm physically superior to you. I'm a 18 year old man, and you're a 14 year old girl. Do we have to go any further?

Oh and btw, here a few olympic world records for sports ranging from weightlifting to archery. Wanna take a guess which gender has the best record in every category? Why not see for yourself.
http://www.olympic-usa.org/education/general_olympic_education/olympic_records.pdf


And without men, there would be no women. I really hope you're joking.

Any female can strangle a man to death with just their leg. Guys can't do that. It's just genetics right? Guys have stronger upper body strength, girls have stronger lower body strength. It's genetics. All females legs are generally stronger than guy legs.

You still can't catagorize every single male and female and pit them against each other. You can say all male sports atheletes are generally stronger than female sports athletes. You can't however say the male species dominates the female species in strength.

With every single swimming class I've ever been in, there's a bigger majority of females than there are males. I swim 3 times a week btw, I'm pretty sure I can swim better and faster than you. And since I'm female and you're male, that makes the female race the superior swimmers rite? -.- I didn't think so. My highschool's female hockey team has a record of more wins than the guys hockey team rite now, Girls better at hockey then guys? So therefore every single girl hockey team is better than guys? I didn't think so.

There are more girl cheerleaders than guy cheerleaders. Cheerleading is a sport now. So is dance. So is rythmic gymnastics.

Guys don't beat out girls in every single sport. Guys don't beat out girls. Plus don't you think it takes a hell of a lot of diaphram muscles and stomach muscles in the body [this is genetics again] to push a football sized thing out of your uterus? Guys probably wouldn't be able to do that, because they're not born the with assets needed. Do you see me saying guys are the weaker species. nooo

[Sant0ryu]

one word: women

[Khari]

one word:equal

[Tabris]

hmmm, what aspects... mentally women are superior... i'm sure we're more pleasant to look at, but i'd still preffer to be trapped in a room witha man then a woman... except if it's calahan, who most of you don't know... you are lucky..... i'd say men, cause they get to look at us :D

[LightDreamer]

every single one of us is more appealing to look at...wow good to know you're modest. okay I've seen some both pretty ugly females and males. I doubt you can say females are better looking. Seeing as how there are some pretty nice guys out there too ;)

they get to look at us...-.- I disagree, some girls they don't want to be looked at, some girls just aren't looked at -.- maybe if everyone was you -.- sadly not every single girl is you =]

[Satoku]

scientists have discovered that, the average male and females, if they are the same age, the male turns out to have 5% more IQ, so dont think were all, (fat retard voice) "uhhhhh hey y-your tryin to pull a fast one on me!"

[LightDreamer]

o.O and how do they choose these 'average' people. How many times have they done the test? how many people have they done the test too? Where have they done the test? There are too many dependent variables for that to be reliable and or accurate.

[lovebaby]

Both men and women have their own qualities. Men are strong, and women are smart and capable of handling house works. Both genders cant live without each other. So in my opinion, no one is better than the other one.

[Satoku]

unless their gay

[LightDreamer]

Both men and women have their own qualities. Men are strong, and women are smart and capable of handling house works. Both genders cant live without each other. So in my opinion, no one is better than the other one.

so...ur saying girls aren't strong. and that men wouldn't be able to live on their own becuase they aren't capable of handling house work. Sorry girly but some girls are strong, and some guys are weak. Some girls can't do house work [ me included I dont' like cleaning house, and one wouldn't call me organized] and some guys are neat freaks. Right both genders can't live without each other. and not one is better than the other, but your arguement is questionable.

unless their gay

WTH is that suppose to mean? this coming from the guy who says guys are smarter and yet can't use the right homonym for they're. Sorry -.- it's ironically sad yet funny.

P.S that was spam whether or not they're a gay female or gay male has nothing to do with which gender is better. So piss off.

[nma]

Any female can strangle a man to death with just their leg. Guys can't do that. It's just genetics right? Guys have stronger upper body strength, girls have stronger lower body strength. It's genetics. All females legs are generally stronger than guy legs.

You still can't catagorize every single male and female and pit them against each other. You can say all male sports atheletes are generally stronger than female sports athletes. You can't however say the male species dominates the female species in strength.

With every single swimming class I've ever been in, there's a bigger majority of females than there are males. I swim 3 times a week btw, I'm pretty sure I can swim better and faster than you. And since I'm female and you're male, that makes the female race the superior swimmers rite? -.- I didn't think so. My highschool's female hockey team has a record of more wins than the guys hockey team rite now, Girls better at hockey then guys? So therefore every single girl hockey team is better than guys? I didn't think so.

There are more girl cheerleaders than guy cheerleaders. Cheerleading is a sport now. So is dance. So is rythmic gymnastics.

Guys don't beat out girls in every single sport. Guys don't beat out girls. Plus don't you think it takes a hell of a lot of diaphram muscles and stomach muscles in the body [this is genetics again] to push a football sized thing out of your uterus? Guys probably wouldn't be able to do that, because they're not born the with assets needed. Do you see me saying guys are the weaker species. nooo

You're talking about specific events. I don't care if every girl in your school is stronger than every guy in your class, the point is that its just there in your school. What I'm talking about is in general, what happens 9/10 times. Males are just built differently, we can grow more muscles.

Lets look at it this way, the average height and weight of a man in the U.S is 5'9 and 189lbs, the average height and weight of a womans is 5'4 and 168lbs. Now if the average man has 5 inches and 21 pounds on a woman, who do you think would be stronger?

one word: women
And one last thing, why didn't you respond to this post? If it had been someone saying men were better, you would have been all over them.

[LightDreamer]

You're talking about specific events. I don't care if every girl in your school is stronger than every guy in your class, the point is that its just there in your school. What I'm talking about is in general, what happens 9/10 times. Males are just built differently, we can grow more muscles.

Lets look at it this way, the average height and weight of a man in the U.S is 5'9 and 189lbs, the average height and weight of a womans is 5'4 and 168lbs. Now if the average man has 5 inches and 21 pounds on a woman, who do you think would be stronger?


And one last thing, why didn't you respond to this post? If it had been someone saying men were better, you would have been all over them.

Yaah...girls are 'built' differently then guys, their legs are stronger. Your arms are stronger. Sorta equals out don't it? and since when did weight and height equal strength?

IF you can base your assumption that guys are stronger than girls on 2 male athletes then why shouldn't I be able to assume that girls are stronger than guys by the way the females out preform guys in my highschool?

and I don't know who would be stronger, it all depends on what kind of person those 2 ppl are, don't it. -.- ur saying every single person who is male is the same as every other single male, and every female is the same.

[Dosu]

well, technically height and weight do factor into streanth, given your height and weight, depends on how much muscle mass you can amount, obviusly a taller, heavier person can amass more muscle, they just have more to work with, and also from a scientific stand point, men are 15% stronger than women, so given that a man and a woman are the same age, height, weight, and neither do anything to alter their muscle mass, the guy would still be stronger than the woman, I'm not trying to be sexist or anything, it's just proven, but look at it this way, women's bodies are built to handle more stress than men's bodies, so even if we are a bit stronger, you have a good chance of out living us.

[nma]

Yaah...girls are 'built' differently then guys, their legs are stronger. Your arms are stronger. Sorta equals out don't it? and since when did weight and height equal strength?
No, women just have their strength concentrated in their legs they don't have more leg strength then men. Uh, last time I checked, height and weight equals size and size does usually equal strength. Why do you think that boxers are spilt up into weight classes?

IF you can base your assumption that guys are stronger than girls on 2 male athletes then why shouldn't I be able to assume that girls are stronger than guys by the way the females out preform guys in my highschool? and I don't know who would be stronger, it all depends on what kind of person those 2 ppl are, don't it. -.- ur saying every single person who is male is the same as every other single male, and every female is the same.
Those two were justexamples I picked off to the top of my head to make a point. When people think of strength, they usually think of fighting. We all like anime here, when we think of a fight in an anime, its usually about how strong and fast someone is. And I never once said that all men are the same or all women are the same. I just said in general, men are stronger, which is true.

[Tabris]

every single one of us is more appealing to look at...wow good to know you're modest. okay I've seen some both pretty ugly females and males. I doubt you can say females are better looking. Seeing as how there are some pretty nice guys out there too ;)

they get to look at us...-.- I disagree, some girls they don't want to be looked at, some girls just aren't looked at -.- maybe if everyone was you -.- sadly not every single girl is you =]

I didn't say i was without faults, i have plenty, i assure you. woman do want to be looked at, but not lustfully, at least not all the time. Question: Why do woman spend so much tiem and money on thier apearance? Because they want to be pleasing to the eye.

By the way, you're picture on your profile is nice, i think you're very pretty, but i also think almost all asian people are beautiful, so it's kind of biased.

As for the fact of us being built different, it woudl be a tad wierd if we wee built like men wouldn't it? We're not all good at house work by the way... or at least we don't enjoy it... I do like ot cook though. This was a debate that was just waiting to turn into an argument.

I preffer men, i admit it, i don't mind being a little less than equal, i mean if they want to do the work, then let them do it(not all the work though, that's just using them.)

We were made different for a reason, and i really like it^^. can't we just be proud of what we were born as, and be happy that we have each other?

Hey Satoshi, i missed you tons, it's so nice to see you again^_^.

[LightDreamer]

I didn't say i was without faults, i have plenty, i assure you. woman do want to be looked at, but not lustfully, at least not all the time. Question: Why do woman spend so much tiem and money on thier apearance? Because they want to be pleasing to the eye.

By the way, you're picture on your profile is nice, i think you're very pretty, but i also think almost all asian people are beautiful, so it's kind of biased.

As for the fact of us being built different, it woudl be a tad wierd if we wee built like men wouldn't it? We're not all good at house work by the way... or at least we don't enjoy it... I do like ot cook though. This was a debate that was just waiting to turn into an argument.

I preffer men, i admit it, i don't mind being a little less than equal, i mean if they want to do the work, then let them do it(not all the work though, that's just using them.)

We were made different for a reason, and i really like it^^. can't we just be proud of what we were born as, and be happy that we have each other?

Hey Satoshi, i missed you tons, it's so nice to see you again^_^.

Woah, where do you come off saying you know every single girl o.O I for one do not like being gawked at, makes me uncomfortable. I'm an attention seeker, true. But I hate being looked at when I've done nothing to earn their attention, if I won an award. Fine look at me. If i'm performing on the piano. Fine look at me. If i'm sitting at my desk doing math equations, I prefer not being stared at. I'm wierd, I could care less if I'm pleasant to look at, I don't even comb my hair o.O do I care? not really. I know tons of people who could care less about their appearance. Visa Versa. I know tons of guys that spend a hideous amount of time in front of the mirror, getting their hair to stick up just right.

Are you saying all guys could care less about what they end up looking like after they roll out of bed? Are you saying guys don't take time to be hygenically clean? I'm pretty sure guys shower.

Some girls are built with broad shoulders, some girls are built slightly larger than average. Some girls are rugged tomboys! You can't clasify us as entirely the same person! We're all different! If every single girl came out looking like every single other girl ever born, same with guys. Then fine I wouldn't mind being told guys are stronger than girls. But we're NOT, we're all different! Some girls are stronger than half the guys her age, other ones are scared of friggen bugs! Some guys are on all the sports team and will probably kick most girls ass, others come too school trying to be as noticeable as a bug! For fear someone might stare and make a joke about him! He probably isn't much stronger than a bug! See where I'm getting at? we're all different, we all equal out.

[And here's to Nma and whoever else said this]

ANd the whole 2 average people thing being pitted against each other? What exactly is your definition of average? An athlete is not average, they're athletic! Obviously. A nerd is not average, they're brain is their strongest muscle. When you are you going to find 2 exactly the same male and female? You can't use that! That's impossible, you're not going to find 2 average ppl -.- it's proposturous. It all depends on who you choose! DUH you're 'scientific' comparison will never work.

You know why? THere is no average person, there's no norm. There's no one person who's inbetween it all. Everyone has a gift, everyone is better at something than someone else. You'll NEVER find an average person. I doubt you'll look in the mirror and go now there's an average person. I wouldn't either. I know I'm not average, and I'd hate being called normal. I'm not normal, I'm wierd, I'm proud, I used to break skin every day against people I didn't like and watched them bleed. There are people who still have scares from 2 years ago left by me, and you know what else, those scars aren't going away. ANd I won't hesitate to hurt anyone who bitches at me, or gets on my nerve. YOu know why? I'm abnormal. We all have dirty little secrets. There is no average person.

And Dark Aztek if you ever get around to reading this, I told you I'm evil. =]

[nma]

And Dark Aztek if you ever get around to reading this, I told you I'm evil. =]
No, you're just stubborn. You seem to think that admitting men to be stronger than women is admitting that men are better. Its not. There nothing sexist, bias, discriminatory, or whatever about it. Thats just the way it is. Are you discriminating against black people if you say that they have dark skin? No! Why? Because its true, they were born that way. Men were born with the potential to gain more muscle.

There are just things as averages and norms. The average man is straight, a normal man is mentally sane. If averages didnt exist, there would be no reason to keep stats.

[palmereap]

allll true men and woman are epual but in diffrent situations if differes

[LightDreamer]

No, you're just stubborn. You seem to think that admitting men to be stronger than women is admitting that men are better. Its not. There nothing sexist, bias, discriminatory, or whatever about it. Thats just the way it is. Are you discriminating against black people if you say that they have dark skin? No! Why? Because its true, they were born that way. Men were born with the potential to gain more muscle.

There are just things as averages and norms. The average man is straight, a normal man is mentally sane. If averages didnt exist, there would be no reason to keep stats.

Wow I'm not being stubborn, I just gave you a perfectly good reason why your 'comparison' doesn't work! And you're calling me stubborn? I don't get it. I never said you were sexist, bias, discriminatory. I'm just trying to tell you what's what. Fine then, you say weight and height equal strength?

A 150 lbs girl who is 6'1", against a 135 lbs guy who's 5'11:, I bet you'd still say the guy was stronger huh? THAT'S what's sexist. But according to you, it's weight and size that makes a person strong? So what is it then? GUys are just automatically stronger than girls?

There is no such thing as an average person, nor a norm for a person. If you knew the exact number of gay men in the population of the world, I doubt you'd think that the average man is gay. Ever heard the saying, there's a thin line between insanity and genious? You can only generalize a norm an incredibly majority of the person is that thing.

Fine an average female has vagina. The average Male has a wang. There, there's your norm.

Geeze, I totally bashed your 'analytical comparison, or scientific w/e not' and you call me stubborn.

[flareofdragon]

Why are you fighting so hard lightdreamer. I do not know if it is insecurity or just plain trying to prove a point, but what NMA said is true.

Everybody knows that guys and girls are not exactly the same, physically and sometimes mentally, you acknowledge that. What NMA saying is that girls have less force, but their other aspects make up for it. He is not saying that men are superior than women, he is just saying that men and women are different. Thus men mostly have an affinity to some activity, and women have affinity to others. This is not supposed to stop girls from going into these activities, it is just a fact. It does not mean that a guy's world is harsher than a girl's, it does not mean that guy is physically better than all the girls. It just means that guys and girls are different. Thats it.

If a girl weighed 150 lbs, and a guy weighed 135, I would stop myself from judging, simply because I do not know who is in shape. However, yeah the girl would typically beat the guy. The guy could have wrestled/fought all his life which means that the girl probably could not do too much or the girl could have wrestled/fought through her life and just destroy the boy.

Girls are less muscled (overall) than guys. When taken to extremes, in general, guys are stronger (weightlifting) than girls. THIS IS FACT! This is not discrediting a woman in any way.

And btw, a smaller person can beat a bigger one if he/she is a smarter fighter. There is this thing called natural talent.

[LightDreamer]

Why are you fighting so hard lightdreamer. I do not know if it is insecurity or just plain trying to prove a point, but what NMA said is true.

Everybody knows that guys and girls are not exactly the same, physically and sometimes mentally, you acknowledge that. What NMA saying is that girls have less force, but their other aspects make up for it. He is not saying that men are superior than women, he is just saying that men and women are different. Thus men mostly have an affinity to some activity, and women have affinity to others. This is not supposed to stop girls from going into these activities, it is just a fact. It does not mean that a guy's world is harsher than a girl's, it does not mean that guy is physically better than all the girls. It just means that guys and girls are different. Thats it.

If a girl weighed 150 lbs, and a guy weighed 135, I would stop myself from judging, simply because I do not know who is in shape. However, yeah the girl would typically beat the guy. The guy could have wrestled/fought all his life which means that the girl probably could not do too much or the girl could have wrestled/fought through her life and just destroy the boy.

Girls are less muscled (overall) than guys. When taken to extremes, in general, guys are stronger (weightlifting) than girls. THIS IS FACT! This is not discrediting a woman in any way.

And btw, a smaller person can beat a bigger one if he/she is a smarter fighter. There is this thing called natural talent.

That's what i'm saying! Every single girl and every single gay aren't exactly the same. YOu cannot say in general guys are stronger. Because there is no average guy you can compare against an average girl!

Back to my 150 lbs girl. and 135 lbs guy. YOu would not know who's stronger! Unless you know their entire background. For all you know the girl doesn't weigh a lot becuase she's got a lot of muscle, she could just be overweight! And for all you know the 135 lbs guy could be a really light boxer. Now that you have this information, now you can make a logical guess as to who would be stronger. You can't base who would be stronger on what they weight, or their height.

A really fat girl could be afraid of spiders. A really skinny girl half her size might kick your ass.

When you say girls, who are you talking about? YOu can't catagorize me! That's what I mean, I'd hate to be put anywhere near the same group as some of the bitchy girls I know. And I'm sure some of you macho guys would not like to be catagorized with someone who can't lift a paper weight. Do not generalize me.

You'll notice, swimmers generally have very wide shoulders, because if you know the stroke butterfly, you'll understand why you need strong arm muscles. I myself can only do half a pool's length of butterfly, and I've been swimming all my life. If you tell me you're the strongest athelete on your highschool football team, but haven't taken actual swimming lessons, I'd still bet my life that you wouldn't get very far doing butterfly. You need to know a person before you can judge a person. You need to know a person before you know their physical strength. There's more then 1 kind of strength. Being strong at boxing, does not make you strong at ballet. Being able to do 200 crunches, does not make you strong enough to give birth to a baby.

MUSCLES IS NOT THE DEFINITION OF STRENGTH

There are different kinds of strong. Muscle does not equal strength entirely, it equals a kind of strength. Being strong enough to balance your entire weight on the tip of your toes is strength as well. Do ballarina's have muscle toned toes? NO. Being able to lift 150 lbs may be strength in muscles.

Can you say you are able to go to the bottom of the diving well and lift a 150 lbs person off the bottom of the floor with teh world popping aroudn your ears. Girls can do that just as well as guys can. Water boyance makes ppl lighter in the water -.- It's having the courage to do it, even at the chance you could die.

COURAGE IS A STRENGTH are you saying guys are more courageous than girls?

It may be genetics that gives you the advanatage on getting muscle. but genetics does not give you strength. Will power does.

Now tell me guys are stronger than girls. I'm not insecure, and when I have my ass handed to me then I will accept it. It's you who does not understand, I'm trying to get you to look outside of the box. Muscles is not strength. Being able to go on after a loved one has died, there is strength. ANd guys don't do that any better than girls

I will however admit. That guys generally have more muscle mass than girls. There. Get it. -.-

Don't judge me. You have no right trying to figure out whether or not I'm insecure or what the hell is wrong with me. There are a lot of things wrong with me, but you are not in the position to figure them out.

When you are me. Then judge me.

[nma]

MUSCLES IS NOT THE DEFINITION OF STRENGTH
It is of physical strength, which is all that we're talking about. I have never said that women weren't as courageous as men, no one is this thread has. All that we've been trying to say is that men are physically superior to women, which you now agree to as well.

Btw, 150 pounds is underweight for 6 feet, my money would be on the girl.

[LightDreamer]

I said they are better at gaining muscle mass -.- I never said they were physically surperior to women. There are a hell of a lot more pot bellied men out there than women

[flareofdragon]

Its kind of funny, your points coloratte with mine except one, yet you are fighting against me.

Lets start with basics.
When you say girls, who are you talking about? YOu can't catagorize me!
Are you a girl or not? That involves no stereotypes, just the fact that men have the capacity of more muscles than women (ignoring talent/genetical lines). Really, that means nothing as the guy could be geeky and the girl could be athlectic.

And I've been swimming all my life. If you tell me you're the strongest athelete on your highschool football team, but haven't taken actual swimming lessons, I'd still bet my life that you wouldn't get very far doing butterfly.
Ok, are you a better football player than them? They have not spent their life in the pool, you have. That gives you experience. If both swimmers had the same talent and expirience, I will say the guy wins 9/10.

It gets complicated with sports like tennis because then you are not focusing on one aspect. As it depends upon style and instinct.

And I agreed that there were different types of strength.

When NMA refers to strength, he is talking about strength, he is referring to the mass/capacity of muscles.

And personally, I think guys have the ability to focus more (in average, who although probably does not exist, does give us something to compare). However, I think girls can handle everyday life with less complaints. And they have more patience with their need for achievments.

[LightDreamer]

I believe the most ever payed tennis player is a girl -.- I believe the most ever payed figure skater was a girl.

NMA didn't say guys generally had more muscle mass, he said that guys were physically surperior to women. THat's not true. There's a bigger majority of unhealthy fat men then there are of women.

U think guys are better swimmers than girls? And where are you getting this?

Do not tell me that just because the fastest male swimmer is a guy. He is one person, he is not the male species.

And personally, I think guys have the ability to focus more (in average, who although probably does not exist, does give us something to compare). However, I think girls can handle everyday life with less complaints. And they have more patience with their need for achievments.

Lmao, I don't know why you think that but that's just bullshit. Like I said, everyone is different. Somone came to take a test on me and my brothers, to see how well we're able to learn. According to the tester. I concentrate like this
________ my brother concentrates like this - - - - - -. But I doubt that's true with every girl and every guy -.-; that's just stupid. Genetics I can understand, true guys build muscle mass faster than girls. They do not concentrate better than girls -.-;

Girls handle everyday life with less complaints? And how do you know this? Just becuase a girl doesn't come up to you everyday and complains to you? That's also bullshit.

Girls are more patient? STILL BULLSHIT. lmao my patience is running thing with your inaccurate crap flinging.

Every single person's mentality differs, whether they are a girl or a boy.

Here tell me this.

When I was in elementary the smartest [highest average] person in my year was a girl. When I came to highschool the highest mark average individual was a guy. When a university math exam was brought to our school, handing out scholoarships to the brightest. 2/3 of the top placing individuals were girls. The order went as so. Girl came in first, Guy came in second, Girl came in third.

btw, I know this has nothing to do with anything, all of the 5 ppl I've mentioned so far were azn. xDD that right, azn pride. 4/5 of them are chinese.

Now which one is smarter? Girl or Boy?

[sheik]

women tend to test guys

answering a woman's question is like taking a test you haven't studied for. One wrong answer or slipp up and you end up sleeping on the couch thinking about what you said.........

I am looking forward to marriage!!!!!!!!*sarcasm*

[flareofdragon]

Precisely because the fastest swimmer was a guy. Until that is proven wrong, I do not think I will change my mind.

And yes, I believe that in some sports, men can't beat women in.

When I was in elementary the smartest [highest average] person in my year was a girl. When I came to highschool the highest mark average individual was a guy. When a university math exam was brought to our school, handing out scholoarships to the brightest. 2/3 of the top placing individuals were girls. The order went as so. Girl came in first, Guy came in second, Girl came in third.

btw, I know this has nothing to do with anything, all of the 5 ppl I've mentioned so far were azn. xDD that right, azn pride. 4/5 of them are chinese.

Now which one is smarter? Girl or Boy?
k, how about you stop trying to extrapolate everything I say? I know every individual is different, its a generalization, not a stereotype.

And since you are so bent on making my statements seem sexist and stereotypical, I will make yours so too: we are supposed to imagine that a test is supposed to be all inclusive and acurrately displays the intelligence of someone? I know that I have the highest problems turned in for a college-questioning (oh and another thing I skipped a grade), yet my rank is lower than most, even in math. So what does that make me, erratically smart?

I am an Asian. The top is a caucasian, but she failed a grade (she stayed behind one).

Oh and actually I have psychology backing. <<;; Its a generalization, so you probably are not interested. In fact, my conclusion is only derived from these statistics, not actually hard proven. But I am human, I cannot hope to know the female mind, or minds in general.

Oh and patience was the wrong word. I think I mean to say that they can handle these situation better, but that is because I define better in probably a different term than you. I see it everyday, but I know mine is a bias. See, because this is a personal opinion, I have to work with my limitations to make the most sense.

Oh and lol, did you know that girls generally rant to me about their life more? For someone who talks a lot about "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND/KNOW ME!!" that is a surprising comment. My conclusion has NOTHING to do with your little comment.

[LightDreamer]

mmk -.- comparing males or females at all with anything other than genetics, become blatant lies. You cannot say anything about a females mind that is different nor worse than a males mind.

Would you say me and Tabris think on the same wave length? No.

would you say Satoshi-kun and DarkAztek think on the same wave length? No

Everyone is their own individual person, with their own individual mind. You cannot compare the two sexes, outside of genetics.

And with the whole male swimmer thing. He's one person. He did not ask to represent the entire male sex in swimming. He's just looking out for himself. You cannot use him to represent your sex in terms of swimming.

Oh one more thing, I skipped a grade too. Look at my age. 14. I'm in grade 10 and now look at my birthday. Big friggen woop. But you know what, I don't think it makes a difference. And what's more, I hate it when people find out my age and ask me 'so uhh..you're really smart right?' my response? Yes becuase if I was born 12 days earlier I'd be stupid LIKE YOU.

[kironokuni]

women seem to be smarter and men seem to have more physical strength!

[flareofdragon]

mmk -.- comparing males or females at all with anything other than genetics, become blatant lies. You cannot say anything about a females mind that is different nor worse than a males mind.

Would you say me and Tabris think on the same wave length? No.

would you say Satoshi-kun and DarkAztek think on the same wave length? No

Oh one more thing, I skipped a grade too. Look at my age. 14. I'm in grade 10 and now look at my birthday. Big friggen woop. But you know what, I don't think it makes a difference. And what's more, I hate it when people find out my age and ask me 'so uhh..you're really smart right?' my response? Yes becuase if I was born 12 days earlier I'd be stupid LIKE YOU.
Lets go through this one by one:

It does NOT have to be lies just because it is not genetics. If that was the case, psychology would not be a reasonable field of study. Besides who knows if it is related to genes or not?

And no, thats a big jump. They probably do not think the same "way" at all, but they might have the same way of thinking. They could think about different things, give importance to different things, one might have a higher ability to make connection then the other. But they might still think through the same style. I do not know for certain, so I will stop that discussion.

And you still do not understand. I am basing this of partial genetics and partially psychological research. I am basing it off of the "better observational skills" of women and their "higher memory upon placement and making connection in vocabulary in a time constraint." Although I do use more reasons than that, its just to show you that I am not thinking along what you are thinking.

Awesome answer, I might use that. But you deviate from my point.

[LightDreamer]

NOw you're just confusing me -.- why would you start something you didn't plan on finishing.

Mmk -.- there are a lot of guys my age, in fact most guys my age that I know, that I would not give the benefit of saying they have a higher concentration level than me. In fact, there are almost zilch guys I know that 'concentrate' as hard as some of the girls I know.

Would you say there are more male psychologists then there are female? In fact is there any job out there that is male dominated that does not rely on muscle capability? So where do you get the idea that you can say girls and boys think differently? Give me an example. Or admit you had no idea wat you were saying.

[flareofdragon]

Mmk -.- there are a lot of guys my age, in fact most guys my age that I know, that I would not give the benefit of saying they have a higher concentration level than me. In fact, there are almost zilch guys I know that 'concentrate' as hard as some of the girls I know.
Thats a common misunderstandment whenever I introduce this idea. I am not arguing that guys have a higher concentration, I am saying that they are more porne to leave other things off for their goals. I got this from a study of American girls/women (mainly caucasian), done by a female psychologist. Now obviously, it differs from individuals, but thats what I got from all those data. Now obviously I am not you, so I am not going to make an assumption about you. Its just... a vague guidline or something along that line. Thats it, not a strict way of looking at things, but just an idea to come up with theories.

Would you say there are more male psychologists then there are female? In fact is there any job out there that is male dominated that does not rely on muscle capability? So where do you get the idea that you can say girls and boys think differently? Give me an example. Or admit you had no idea wat you were saying.
^ see above. They do think differently. I am not saying these thoughts are alien to either sex, I am just saying that girls differ from guys GENERALLY in certain points.

[LightDreamer]

personally, I think guys have the ability to focus more (in average, who although probably does not exist, does give us something to compare). However, I think girls can handle everyday life with less complaints. And they have more patience with their need for achievments.

Sounds pretty personal too me -.- I'm just wondering how you came to that conclusion. Perhaps girls think 'differently' than guys, and perhaps that has somthing to do with the hormone difference, and girl's PMS. But what the hell is 'they have more patience with their need for achievements?' Uhh -.- no. Maybe some girls, but then again maybe some guys.

Girls can handle everyday life with less complaints? You clearly have not met a bitchy female. And clearly have met far too many bitchy males.

Maybe you can focus, but most guys I know can't focus, my brothers for instance can't focus. But then again once my dad is focusing on something it's hard to drag his attention away. My mother loves to focus on everyone but her own's problems. And myself? I believe I focus fine. So -.- it really doesn't matter if you're male or female.

[flareofdragon]

Girls can handle everyday life with less complaints? You clearly have not met a bitchy female. And clearly have met far too many bitchy males.

Maybe you can focus, but most guys I know can't focus, my brothers for instance can't focus. But then again once my dad is focusing on something it's hard to drag his attention away. My mother loves to focus on everyone but her own's problems. And myself? I believe I focus fine. So -.- it really doesn't matter if you're male or female.
-_- I corrected the simplicity of my statements in my post before this. If you don't know what I mean, I said said they are better equipped, not less bitchy about problems. Its a personal opinion based on what each sex can do better. Its not a personality thing.

And again "focus," I use this differently then normal. I am using it as the ability to completely isolate that one goal away from everything else and go after it not carrying about others. Your mother's focus is not the "focus" I am talking about, the way I am using the word and the way you are using it is different. Your father's focus however, is the type that I am suggesting.

And I tend to talk about men and women, not children. But I used to be an extreme "focus"er as a kid. So yeah.

[g4ara]

women a better in mentality but man are better in physical !

[Kaysa]

I hate to break it to a lot of people, but we cannot say either race is smarter then the other or more mentally sound because that is immeasurable. There is no real set defined measure of intelligence or of mental soundness, not to mention it is impossible to display a form of comparability.

[flareofdragon]

But you can personally define what "mentally sound" is.

[t3talb]

In wat way?

[LightDreamer]

-_- I corrected the simplicity of my statements in my post before this. If you don't know what I mean, I said said they are better equipped, not less bitchy about problems. Its a personal opinion based on what each sex can do better. Its not a personality thing.

And again "focus," I use this differently then normal. I am using it as the ability to completely isolate that one goal away from everything else and go after it not carrying about others. Your mother's focus is not the "focus" I am talking about, the way I am using the word and the way you are using it is different. Your father's focus however, is the type that I am suggesting.

And I tend to talk about men and women, not children. But I used to be an extreme "focus"er as a kid. So yeah.

And how exactly are guys better equiped than girls mentality wise? Okay...how does my dad focus better than me? How so? And how to you compare which is better. if you are using the focus I talked about with my dad. then focus is focus there is no measure of it. So because you are an 'extreme focuse-er' means that every guy probably 'focuses' better than girls?

[Kaysa]

But you can personally define what "mentally sound" is.

Ya, you can define it, but there is no defined quantitative measure or even qualitative order of it. Without a unified quantitative measure or qualitative order you can't really compare people very well. Hence you can't say someone is really smarter then another person.

[flareofdragon]

And how exactly are guys better equiped than girls mentality wise? Okay...how does my dad focus better than me? How so? And how to you compare which is better. if you are using the focus I talked about with my dad. then focus is focus there is no measure of it. So because you are an 'extreme focuse-er' means that every guy probably 'focuses' better than girls?
I said GIRL'S mentality traits are better, however, in real life, I still favor a "masculine" attitude. I don't know how you got the guy part, the focusing does not make a guy better. In fact it can make them egotistical and coincieted. But I digress.

And I have said it again and again. Concentration is not a factor in this "focus" I am discussing. Its a term that I call when a person can disregard everything else and go for one specific goal. This "focus" means nothing to the amount of concentration can muster, I am just saying that male tend to do this more than female. Its just a differentiation between the two. There is nothing about "better as a sex." Its basically listing the strength of both sides.

[LightDreamer]

Oh I see, so if a guy can't focus it means they're not egotistical and conceited; therefore are not men.

HUH? Not every single guy in the world is egotistical and conceited -.- and there are plenty of girls who are. I have no idea what you're trying to prove anymore.

Uhh you'll notice that in my last statement I said nothing about concentration. You're delusional.

I am just saying that male tend to do this more than female. Its just a differentiation between the two. There is nothing about "better as a sex." Its basically listing the strength of both sides.

how do guys do it better? where's your proof. Or are you just making random inane outbursts that no one understands, because there is nothing too understand, becuase it doesn't make sense.

And you still haven't answered my question.

How are guy's better 'equiped'?

[g4ara]

gurl are wiser then men ... but eventhough sometimes they did stupid things ! no offence eh .... but men mostly do stupid things

[Yushimi]

women........they're not as reckless
men are just a bunch of testosterone and temper,raging

[LightDreamer]

Aggh!!! Girls aren't something definite and Guys aren't something definite, it all depends on the person! You could say people who grew up with little or no discipline are reckless, you cannot say guys are reckless, becuase all guys are not reckless! PPL! It's genetics, or it's nothing.

[flareofdragon]

Oh but you were using "focusing" as in concentration. That was a tad obvious.

Oh I see, so if a guy can't focus it means they're not egotistical and conceited; therefore are not men.

Its funny how you try to insult every single thing I say yet you have to extrapolate it. For example, I would say "That car produces CO2, CO2 produces greenhouse effect. And you would reply with "That car is the one doing all this greenhouse effect thing?" :confused: <_< I believe thats how this discussion is going, you extrapolating everything I say to such extremes that I can only see vague reminiscence of my statement. In other words, stop putting words in my mouth.

I never said guys are egotistical are coincieted in general, and I never said they had to be. I said this CAN bring ego, where are you getting 'must' in these opinions?

K, are you asking me to list the other side, or are you hinting I think guy's are better? Because if it is the former, I believe the way a guy handles problems ("simple and open") is a lot better.

And its a personal opinion. Psychological study, relationships, the people around my life, I use all of this to make up a general trend. And here is the most amazing part, opinions and scientifical reasoning are not 100% right. For example, I can say girls do not have a penis, but that is actually false in the case of the strongest female weightlifter. So does that make my reasoning wrong? No, most girls do not have a penis, and its a good rule of thumb to think so.

I am not deducing anything about individuals, this is only a general trend I found. There is a difference between those.



And if you looked at EVERY single individual case, I doubt you could deduce anything at all. Case in point, girls do not have a penis.

[LightDreamer]

-__-; stop making this about you. This is not about you, I care very little about you and your feelings. I'm not purposely insulting you, I'm twisting around your words so they contridict obvious simple human logic. Like...Not every single guy in the world can focus [trust me, I'm using your definition here, the whole focusing on one single topic and entirely removing the rest of the world]. Nor can every other single girl. ANd their age does not make them any less female or male.

I don't think you think guy's are better. that has got nothing to do with it. I'm not making this personal, I'm not sticking up for 'my kind'. But your 'logic' is not making sense.

And how exactly did you deduce that guys handle problems 'simple and open'. I don't know about you, but I find there are a lot of guy's who end up in fist fights because they cannot talk about their 'problems' not if you believe winding up in the hospital is 'simple and open' then it might make some sense. But then again there are guys who are quite a bit more sensible and will put their problems under a rock and forget about them. [Is that simple and open?] becuase that is not dealing with their problems, that's shoving it under a rug.

Sweetheart, if you believe guys handle their problem's in well behaved ways, and girls find it difficult to handle their problems? then you need to get out of the rock you're hiding under and meet some more people. Meet some people I know! Meet people who are currently in jail because they killed someone over sheer jealousy.

o.O wow someone with a penis is not a female, maybe a male, maybe a hermaphrodite, but not a female, you know why? becuase when you're born they look at your privates and that's how they differenciate whether or not you are a boy or a girl =] and if you grow a penis o.O[ I don't even know if that's possible] then you become a hermaphrodite, no longer considered a female.

Exactly, do not look at every single person alive, becuase that will not solve anything, Just do not GROUP us. Do not DEFINE us [in that manner] Do not make POINTS about us. Just leave it alone. [That means don't decide girls have more patience, just because your personal experience says so]

[g4ara]

hmmmm ... they cant stop talking about which one is better ! what a debate this is

[palmereap]

yeah but like i said there equal but in diffrent siuations it differs

[flareofdragon]

-__-; stop making this about you. This is not about you, I care very little about you and your feelings. I'm not purposely insulting you, I'm twisting around your words so they contridict obvious simple human logic. Like...Not every single guy in the world can focus [trust me, I'm using your definition here, the whole focusing on one single topic and entirely removing the rest of the world]. Nor can every other single girl. ANd their age does not make them any less female or male.
You are arguing against me, that means if you attack, I will counter. Thats the way people argue. And they are logical, when you put extra words in my mouth, then it does not. Plus, I do not know where my feelings came to this, but no, you are not hurting my feelings. I am debating.

I do not care if every guy does not think like I described. I said again, this is not individuals, this is a TREND. And yes, age matters A LOT, sure some are gifted, but age defines people. Experience comes with age, its undeniable, and it is rightly thought. Children are naive but open, adults are mature but shallow minded.

I don't think you think guy's are better. that has got nothing to do with it. I'm not making this personal, I'm not sticking up for 'my kind'. But your 'logic' is not making sense.

And how exactly did you deduce that guys handle problems 'simple and open'. I don't know about you, but I find there are a lot of guy's who end up in fist fights because they cannot talk about their 'problems' not if you believe winding up in the hospital is 'simple and open' then it might make some sense. But then again there are guys who are quite a bit more sensible and will put their problems under a rock and forget about them. [Is that simple and open?] becuase that is not dealing with their problems, that's shoving it under a rug.

Sweetheart, if you believe guys handle their problem's in well behaved ways, and girls find it difficult to handle their problems? then you need to get out of the rock you're hiding under and meet some more people. Meet some people I know! Meet people who are currently in jail because they killed someone over sheer jealousy.
Fist fights are simple and open. 0_o I am saying that guys are more confrontal, they will debate until that issue is resolved as it is hard for many to slide it under the rug. Which means no, that bolded comment is not simple and open. And that whole quote is actually going for my point. They do not care too much about consequences (politicians however do), most just want it over. Which means your points are actually going for my point. -_-

And I have fought, its nothing big.

And do sensible guys slide it under the rock? Then sensible guys are dumb, unless they confront and leave some issues alone. Confrontation is important, it stops us from thinking about that issue again. I am not saying thats the only way you should solve problems though.

And as I said, I have compiled a lot of facts. Arguments between parents on what a kid should do in a situation, arguing between relationships, simple events that unfold around me. Guys like confrontation if they are fighting over something.

o.O wow someone with a penis is not a female, maybe a male, maybe a hermaphrodite, but not a female, you know why? becuase when you're born they look at your privates and that's how they differenciate whether or not you are a boy or a girl =] and if you grow a penis o.O[ I don't even know if that's possible] then you become a hermaphrodite, no longer considered a female.
Yet she is still considered a woman legally and allowed to parcipitate in a women's competition. Its called steroids, and btw, thats the only way they ever got that strong.

Exactly, do not look at every single person alive, becuase that will not solve anything, Just do not GROUP us. Do not DEFINE us [in that manner] Do not make POINTS about us. Just leave it alone. [That means don't decide girls have more patience, just because your personal experience says so]
Then how are you supposed to understand anything? Science works on defining groups. And you are naive. Its okay to define a group, in fact, thats how human's mind works. As I said, individuals are another thing alltogether.

And my little buddy, personal experience is the determining factor on what you think about life. Not doing so is going against everyway a mind works. Don't be an ostrich.

[LightDreamer]

Its funny how you try to insult every single thing I say yet you have to extrapolate it.

Tell me again how it isn't about you. Or maybe I shall just 'insult' you some more. -.- I thought it was called 'deeebaaaaaating'

I do not care if every guy does not think like I described. I said again, this is not individuals, this is a TREND. And yes, age matters A LOT, sure some are gifted, but age defines people. Experience comes with age, its undeniable, and it is rightly thought. Children are naive but open, adults are mature but shallow minded.

How does their age make them less female nor male? -.-; wat exactly is your definition of male, becuase boy if you're using urself...then I do not know how it makes 'logic'. Besides this is a debate on men vs. women. Not infant girls vs infant guys nor mature girls vs mature guys. Like I said, age does not make you any more of a male. [maybe a man, but a male...NOT SO MUCH]

Yet she is still considered a woman legally and allowed to parcipitate in a women's competition. Its called steroids, and btw, thats the only way they ever got that strong.

Oooh tell me again how you're not attacking women. Oh I'm sorry, I suppose that's only true SOMETIMES. Becuase your logic only works SOMETIMES and to YOURSELF. BTW, they created the term HERMAPHRODITE for a REASON. Find me a site that says when girls take too many steroids they grow a penis, and then MAYBE...just MAYBE. And yes all guys are perfect, becuase we all know THEY don't have to take steroids, little angels really.

BY.THE.WAY, have you forgotten I'm a girl? I don't take steroids, are you implying I'm weak? NOW who's insulting who. Go ahead tell me. Or don't! You know, cause you haven't been answering any of my OTHER questions.

Then how are you supposed to understand anything? Science works on defining groups. And you are naive. Its okay to define a group, in fact, thats how human's mind works. As I said, individuals are another thing alltogether.

And my little buddy, personal experience is the determining factor on what you think about life. Not doing so is going against everyway a mind works. Don't be an ostrich.

o.O wow in the post of your before this post, you said yourself that looking at every single individual wouldn't solve anything -.-; See the word exactly? Usually that means I'm agreeing with w/e you said before it, which happens to be that you should not look at every single individual...yet all of a sudden you're arguing against that? o.O

Now you're just resorting to name calling. WHat did I say before, can you not READ??? [this is an entirely valid question] DO NOT FRIGGEN JUDGE ME. WHEN YOU ARE ME...THEN JUDGE ME, IF YOU DO SO BEFORE THAT. I SHALL JUST HAVE TO RESORT TO THE SAME JUDGING. And trust me the verdict will not be good.

As I said, individuals are another thing alltogether.

YEAH, I ALSO said that.

] Everyone has a different background, and a different story, you can't group us.

Well my apparently so 'big buddy' if you relied on 'everyone's' personal experience, you would get yourself into a bit of a pickle, becuase as you can see my 'personal experience' contridicts entirely to your 'guys are better fooooocusers' experience. So, now this is where logic comes in, add that to your little 'speech'. You lack it. You're great in the personal experience area, though. It's doing wonders for you.

And if you're such an amazing focuser, focus on EVERY word I say, not just the one's you WANT to hear. Like some of my unanswered questions! Go focus on thoooose.

And if any mods actually end up reading this. I would like to say I've been called naive [yet he really said how...] and I've been compared to an ostrich. Maybe you should stick your head back into a hole, and think about things a bit longer. YOu know, focus on common sense as opposed to personal experience.

Oh yes, my lovely mods, I would also like to add to the record that I suppose I have been pretty vicious in this post, but that is only becuase I've just been told I'll never be strong unless I take steroids! JOY FUCKING JOY.

p.s I would also like to ask flareohdragon, THINK HARDER BEFORE YOU MAKE COMMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BITE YOU IN THE ASS. Oh and tell me what your shoes taste like. Seeing as how you keep sticking your foot further and further into your mouth.

[flareofdragon]

Tell me again how it isn't about you. Or maybe I shall just 'insult' you some more. -.- I thought it was called 'deeebaaaaaating'
:rolleyes:
LMAO. You know, I really wonder why I like to debate sometimes, there are so many people out there that take offense to anything I say, but I always think human intelligence can solve that. Wait, I am stereotyping humans again, maybe I should stop saying that humans have brains. 0_o Oh and btw, there is a copy and paste shortcut (Ctrl + C, and Ctrl + V, and yes I know you are trying to prove a point) so that you don't have to copy and paste my name, and its been shrotened to flare, FoD, and fish.

And it is about me and my opinions. That is why we are debating, to see if your opinions are more wrong or mine is.

How does their age make them less female nor male? -.-; wat exactly is your definition of male, becuase boy if you're using urself...then I do not know how it makes 'logic'. Besides this is a debate on men vs. women. Not infant girls vs infant guys nor mature girls vs mature guys. Like I said, age does not make you any more of a male. [maybe a man, but a male...NOT SO MUCH]
There is a big difference between a small boy and a large man. It does not make them less male, but it does mean that what I think about late teen-adult male is going to be different than a 6 year old boy.


Oooh tell me again how you're not attacking women. Oh I'm sorry, I suppose that's only true SOMETIMES. Becuase your logic only works SOMETIMES and to YOURSELF. BTW, they created the term HERMAPHRODITE for a REASON. Find me a site that says when girls take too many steroids they grow a penis, and then MAYBE...just MAYBE. And yes all guys are perfect, becuase we all know THEY don't have to take steroids, little angels really.

BY.THE.WAY, have you forgotten I'm a girl? I don't take steroids, are you implying I'm weak? NOW who's insulting who. Go ahead tell me. Or don't! You know, cause you haven't been answering any of my OTHER questions.
Do you really read every word I say and go through the worst possible thought that goes into your head? Really, my posts are rather dry, so I really do not know why you are thinking that I try to degrade women, as I am vehemently against that.

0_o And its a well known fact. How do you think people have sex change?
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f00/web2/naimzadeh2.html

anabolic, meaning "to build," and androgenic, meaning "masculinizing." Testosterone's natural androgenic effects trigger the maturing of the male reproductive system in puberty, including the growth of body hair and the deepening of the voice.

Notice how testosterene is making those muscles? The hormone more prevalent on guys, thus they can get stronger physically then girls (TREND). However, I never said girls had to take it. Their body manufactures testestorone on its own. In fact, there are many girls who could beat me, as I never said girls could not get strong. I said girls could not get THAT strong without being almost male.

Plus to prove my point on the sex change issue, many guys who take the hormone have smaller penis because the body counterattacks with ostergene. Its a well known fact, and thats how it is possible to produce ostregene (stronger in female, gives body feminine traits) for sex-changed guys. But if you require scientifically brought facts


Men - Although anabolic steroids are derived from a male sex hormone, men who take them may actually experience a "feminization" effect along with a decrease in normal male sexual function. Some possible effects include:

* Reduced sperm count
* Impotence
* Development of breasts
* Shrinking of the testicles
* Difficulty or pain while urinating

Women - On the other hand, women often experience a "masculinization" effect from anabolic steroids, including the following:

* Facial hair growth
* Deepened voice
* Breast reduction
* Menstrual cycle changes

I do not care if she is a hermaphrodite by normal terms, and if she was, that means girls cannot even reach that in weightlifting. w/e, pick your fact.

And I am not saying you are weak. I am saying that the extremely strong woman does have a penis. I am sure you are not that strong, oh wait, I am assuming again, forgive me for being presumptious.

o.O wow in the post of your before this post, you said yourself that looking at every single individual wouldn't solve anything -.-; See the word exactly? Usually that means I'm agreeing with w/e you said before it, which happens to be that you should not look at every single individual...yet all of a sudden you're arguing against that? o.O
No, I said that every individual should not be graded, as it is impossible to prove a point that way. But it is possible to grade groups. Its just a trend, it does not pertain to the individuals.

Now you're just resorting to name calling. WHat did I say before, can you not READ??? [this is an entirely valid question] DO NOT FRIGGEN JUDGE ME. WHEN YOU ARE ME...THEN JUDGE ME, IF YOU DO SO BEFORE THAT. I SHALL JUST HAVE TO RESORT TO THE SAME JUDGING. And trust me the verdict will not be good.



YEAH, I ALSO said that.
:p You are living in reality, people are going to judge you from the way you present yourself. And really, I have seen a very naive person. You are saying that I can only judge if I am you, but thats not really reality as nobody can do that. Plus you are judging me, you think I am a bigot or a stupid man trying to stereotype woman. But you are not living through me are you?

Well my apparently so 'big buddy' if you relied on 'everyone's' personal experience, you would get yourself into a bit of a pickle, becuase as you can see my 'personal experience' contridicts entirely to your 'guys are better fooooocusers' experience. So, now this is where logic comes in, add that to your little 'speech'. You lack it. You're great in the personal experience area, though. It's doing wonders for you.
That goes against everything you have said. As I said, I do not care about EVERYBODY's personal opinion. I am looking for a trend, not a statement that is absolute.

And if you're such an amazing focuser, focus on EVERY word I say, not just the one's you WANT to hear. Like some of my unanswered questions! Go focus on thoooose.
Now you are just being a hypocrite. Even if you read all the worlds, you are only really listening to the ones you want to hear. You are putting your emotions in my relatively dry arguments. And really, if you understood what I meant by "focusing" you would not say focus on each word. I am "focusing" on trying to get my point across to you, there is no need for small minute detail.

And if any mods actually end up reading this. I would like to say I've been called naive [yet he really said how...] and I've been compared to an ostrich. Maybe you should stick your head back into a hole, and think about things a bit longer. YOu know, focus on common sense as opposed to personal experience.
Why would I be oblivious to everything around me? Why should I be like that?


Oh yes, my lovely mods, I would also like to add to the record that I suppose I have been pretty vicious in this post, but that is only becuase I've just been told I'll never be strong unless I take steroids! JOY FUCKING JOY.
I wonder if you could quote that statement. Because it never existed. I only said that it is possible for those weightlifters to weightlift that much weight only through steroids. ^ Do you lift that much weight, because I am sure you can't. I know I can't.

p.s I would also like to ask flareohdragon, THINK HARDER BEFORE YOU MAKE COMMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BITE YOU IN THE ASS. Oh and tell me what your shoes taste like. Seeing as how you keep sticking your foot further and further into your mouth.
There are a lot of truthful comments that bites me in the ass. So I suppose I should be lying then?

You are one odd kid, do you always think grouping is racism/stereotyping? That IS naive, and because you have your head in the ground, it means you are oblivious. Just because some think grouping makes the individual does not mean I think so. I am just looking for a trend, I do not care if people do not like this trend and try to go against it. If there is enough males going opposite of the trend, obviously I am wrong, but until then, I fail to see why I should accomodate it to every individual.

And really, you are extrapolating everything I say. Read the words for what they are.

[LightDreamer]

You are an annoying little narrow minded boy. -.-;

Yet she is still considered a woman legally and allowed to parcipitate in a women's competition. Its called steroids, and btw, thats the only way they ever got that strong.

What's there not to take offense too -.- steroids isn't only testosterone.

Fine go ahead and say it then. Guys are 'stronger' guy's are 'better focusers' and girls have more patience with getting what they want, and girls only get strong with steroids. Just blab that outloud where-ever you go, I'm sure that will smooth over well. But I must warn you, you will be both laughed at, then get your ass kicked.

You will be beaten up by female atheletes who 'don't take steroids' and don't have dicks. Trust me, I've told all my athletic very female friends, and they all want to kick your ass! You will be laughed at by jocks who are getting an average of 14%, but then they will forget why they're laughing at you and leave. And then you'll have really smart females who 'always get what they want and fast' becuase they study hard, focus better, and pay attention, and they'll be pissed at you, and loathe you with a passion, and then they will tell all! And soon everyone who your words effect, will despise you. And those who are indifferent will think you're really stupid for saying such things in the first place. But don't worry it'll be a 'trend' to hate you soon. Like I said, think twice.

BTW just becuase you're gifted doesn't mean you're smart. I know 2 gifted [guys] who are currently getting an average of 44% and 49%, that's an average of all the subjects they're taking. Gifted people think faster, and with better focus. Yet it's the gifted guys that are failing miserably. There's a 'trend' for you.

[flareofdragon]

What's there not to take offense too -.- steroids isn't only testosterone.
Do you see the word THAT? It means this argument is limited to the extremely strong athletes. It is only directed toward the extreme weightlifter, so unless you are one of them, it is not pertaining to you.

Fine go ahead and say it then. Guys are 'stronger' guy's are 'better focusers' and girls have more patience with getting what they want, and girls only get strong with steroids. Just blab that outloud where-ever you go, I'm sure that will smooth over well. But I must warn you, you will be both laughed at, then get your ass kicked.
Actually, most of the people I have said this to agree with me. I have posted this through forums and other girls. (Actually I tell this to girls who are not my friend just so I can see if I am going to get hit in the face, it has not occured yet).You seem to be one of the only ones that argues against me. But your arguments are not based off any facts, like you want mine to be. Almost every single example you have used (I.E. your mom, dad, prisoners) have been used to prove my point.

You will be beaten up by female atheletes who 'don't take steroids' and don't have dicks. Trust me, I've told all my athletic very female friends, and they all want to kick your ass! You will be laughed at by jocks who are getting an average of 14%, but then they will forget why they're laughing at you and leave. And then you'll have really smart females who 'always get what they want and fast' becuase they study hard, focus better, and pay attention, and they'll be pissed at you, and loathe you with a passion, and then they will tell all! And soon everyone who your words effect, will despise you. And those who are indifferent will think you're really stupid for saying such things in the first place. But don't worry it'll be a 'trend' to hate you soon. Like I said, think twice.
:P Its already a trend to hate me. But I learn to deal with it, and there are many individuals that is going against this "trend." And of course your friends are going to back you. Plus, you tell them my arguments through your viewpoints, that will inevitably disturb the actual argument.

And yes, there are girls that can beat me up. No one is denying that.

LMAO, you seem to be so stuck on "focusing" being a good thing. Its not, and those jocks, you know the one you are talking about, they do not seem to be focused on studies. They are probably "focusing" on sports/girls/parties. I could be wrong, but thats what it seems like.

BTW just becuase you're gifted doesn't mean you're smart. I know 2 gifted [guys] who are currently getting an average of 44% and 49%, that's an average of all the subjects they're taking. Gifted people think faster, and with better focus. Yet it's the gifted guys that are failing miserably. There's a 'trend' for you.
With what? Two guys? I have compiled more facts than that. Trends are not made from only a few examples. <_<

And when did studies come in?

It seems you are narrow minded on keeping everything open. Life does not work that way. You did not even read my later post completely did you?

[LightDreamer]

the only facts you have, are girls don't have penises and then later saying that only the girls with one are strong. [Which is not true] I don't have a penis, and I could still kick a lot of guy's ass. Now, where are these other 'facts'. trends and facts differ.

[otonin_377]

men r way better because we do almost everything

[LightDreamer]

yes like give birth to babies -.- that's something you do best. And girl's do almost everything too, what's your point.

[flareofdragon]

the only facts you have, are girls don't have penises and then later saying that only the girls with one are strong. [Which is not true] I don't have a penis, and I could still kick a lot of guy's ass. Now, where are these other 'facts'. trends and facts differ.
-_-
You did not read the post. Can you lift more then the world record for women's weight? No? Then it does not pertain to you. Can average/most girls even come close to lifting that much weight? No.

I am talking about extreme strength. You are talking about normal strength. And I said a lot of girls could probably kick my ass, I never said they have a penis.

Edit: Little grammatical mistake.

[MrPwnzerz]

I have read through most of the dispute between flare and light...God knows not ALL of it, I do not have that kind of time, but yes most of it. And I see a lot of Light Dreamer telling Flare he is only referencing himself, and using himself as an example..when infact, it is quite the opposite. Flare is backing up "most" of his opinions with facts, whereas I am seeing Light spew off random trash because she is offended..It isn't even a debate anymore, it is flare calmly talking about the topic that they have compiled by arguing their points..and light getting angry because she can't solidify her opinions. By no means am I trying to start trouble, but I believe that Light, if you're going to debate, use some factual statements rather than "flaming" the opposing debater by telling him his facts are just opinion.

Now, my personal belief is men and women are "equal." Just to different degrees. Women have their strongsuits, and men have theirs. Together, we have created the Earth and together we will continue populating this world. Without one, this topic would not be here today. :D

[flareofdragon]

Now, my personal belief is men and women are "equal." Just to different degrees. Women have their strongsuits, and men have theirs. Together, we have created the Earth and together we will continue populating this world. Without one, this topic would not be here today. :D
I agree with that, men and women are created "equal" in different degrees.

[LightDreamer]

YOu know what fish...or something, I can't remember exactly wat your arguement was. -.-; repeat it for me. I'm sorry I was 'offended' and started spewing trash -.- leave me alone Mrpwnzrs, I really could care less about what you think of meee and my emotions. =]

See you fail to even know what our arguement is. I never said I think Flareofdragon favours males, and I never said I think flareofdragon is a bad person -.- and I the only time I took offense, is when i was told if I want to be as strong as a guy I would have to take steroids. I doubt there are a lot of female athletes who wouldn't take offense to that.

And I disagree with the attributes he has chosen. He hasn't explained to me why he thinks guy's are better 'focusers' and he hasn't explained to me why he thinks girls are more patient with getting what they want. How exactly have to determined this?

And where exactly am I spewing out random trash? Point me in thy direction.

So sorry about my grammatical mistakes, but I could care less about them, they are neither being marked nor not getting their point accross. And you're not perfect, either.

mrpwnzerzez...why don't you stop spewing out random trash? There see I can say the exact same thing, Now, wouldn't you take offense if someone said that all the things you say are nonsense? Lets take a gander back at the Gay Marriage and Adoption debate, I believe you spewed out a lot of random trash, and then fled with your tail inbetween your legs, don't be a hypocrite or anything -.-;

And mrpwnzerz if you are so eager to get into this arguement, what attributes do you think guys are better at than girls? And what attributes do you think girls are better at than girls.

I hope you're not gonna say house cleaning! Because that would be an example of random spewing of trash wouldn't it?

[MrPwnzerz]

YOu know what fish...or something, I can't remember exactly wat your arguement was. -.-; repeat it for me. I'm sorry I was 'offended' and started spewing trash -.- leave me alone Mrpwnzrs, I really could care less about what you think of meee and my emotions. =]

See you fail to even know what our arguement is. I never said I think Flareofdragon favours males, and I never said I think flareofdragon is a bad person -.- and I the only time I took offense, is when i was told if I want to be as strong as a guy I would have to take steroids. I doubt there are a lot of female athletes who wouldn't take offense to that.

And I disagree with the attributes he has chosen. He hasn't explained to me why he thinks guy's are better 'focusers' and he hasn't explained to me why he thinks girls are more patient with getting what they want. How exactly have to determined this?

And where exactly am I spewing out random trash? Point me in thy direction.

So sorry about my grammatical mistakes, but I could care less about them, they are neither being marked nor not getting their point accross. And you're not perfect, either.

mrpwnzerzez...why don't you stop spewing out random trash? There see I can say the exact same thing, Now, wouldn't you take offense if someone said that all the things you say are nonsense? Lets take a gander back at the Gay Marriage and Adoption debate, I believe you spewed out a lot of random trash, and then fled with your tail inbetween your legs, don't be a hypocrite or anything -.-;

And mrpwnzerz if you are so eager to get into this arguement, what attributes do you think guys are better at than girls? And what attributes do you think girls are better at than girls.

I hope you're not gonna say house cleaning! Because that would be an example of random spewing of trash wouldn't it?

That's exactly what I am talking about. You can't take criticism, so than you just start popping off at the mouth. It's a debate forum, people are OBVIOUSLY going to disagree with your ideas. You shouldn't get angry over it. Gay Marriage and Adoption forum? Yes, I clearly "fled with my tail inbetween my legs." Or perhaps you could actually learn to read and realize that I said I didn't want to talk about that issue, because I have my opinions and I'm not going to argue about such a trivial influence on my life.

I already expressed how I felt. Men and Women are equal. They have their own strongsuits, and without men, women couldn't reproduce to keep the population alive, and the same goes for men. Without women, the population would eventually die out.(Unless we learned how to clone ourselves)I am not going to express what I feel men and women are good at, because nobody can. I am sure most women have tendencies to do certain things, and most men have tendencies to do certain things..But the idea of life is that every individual is their own person and every person does different stuff that makes them happy. So therefore, I, nor anybody, can judge genders because all persons within their gender are different.

[LightDreamer]

-.-; like I said could care less about what you think about my feelings. Btw it's not anger, it's confusion. Becuase I was the one who said you can't judge genders by trends and there is no fact that says one gender is better at something then another, and you agree with me.

So therefore, I, nor anybody, can judge genders because all persons within their gender are different.

So why are you telling me this? Go read Flareofdragons posts. He's the one who said guy's are better focusers, girls are more patient, and such. I was the one who disagreed -.-;;;

[MrPwnzerz]

-.-; like I said could care less about what you think about my feelings. Btw it's not anger, it's confusion. Becuase I was the one who said you can't judge genders by trends and there is no fact that says one gender is better at something then another, and you agree with me.



So why are you telling me this? Go read Flareofdragons posts. He's the one who said guy's are better focusers, girls are more patient, and such. I was the one who disagreed -.-;;;

I never said Flare was right, or you were wrong. I just said you were getting too emotional and you would be taken more seriously if you were calm. And you obviously do care what I think, because you're still responding to me.

[LightDreamer]

There's a difference between caring about what you think on the current topic up to debate, and between caring about what you think about my feelings. Which is what I said. And if you really must know, I'm still confused. Yep.

I do however care about what you think on this topic. And seeing as how you pretty much have the same opinion as me, there really is nothing more to discuss.

[flareofdragon]

YOu know what fish...or something, I can't remember exactly wat your arguement was. -.-; repeat it for me. I'm sorry I was 'offended' and started spewing trash -.- leave me alone Mrpwnzrs, I really could care less about what you think of meee and my emotions. =]

Men and women are equal in different degrees (unlike MrPwnzrs, I am trying to define the degrees, most people do not). Men are better focusers, women are more patient with their goals.

See you fail to even know what our arguement is. I never said I think Flareofdragon favours males, and I never said I think flareofdragon is a bad person -.- and I the only time I took offense, is when i was told if I want to be as strong as a guy I would have to take steroids. I doubt there are a lot of female athletes who wouldn't take offense to that.
Note: I am only implying this to the extremely, extremely strong women. Women do not have to be take steroids to be strong, most strong women do not take steroids and are a lot strong than me. That is why I put the word THAT (referencing to the strength of the weightlifter) in my statement.

And I disagree with the attributes he has chosen. He hasn't explained to me why he thinks guy's are better 'focusers' and he hasn't explained to me why he thinks girls are more patient with getting what they want. How exactly have to determined this?
Would you agree that men are more oblivious to more things than women are? For example, if something interests a man, do you see a lot of guys paying attention to that object instead of family/friends/basic needs? I have found this a lot, in realtionship problems (note: not mine, I just have looked through a lot of relationship problems), and in my actual experiences.

Girls are more patient because they usually tend to work their family life into their goals. Granted, I am assuming this from one study from one female psychologists where it was found that relationships, "acceptance," "group," were most important (not exactly with guys). Thus they tend to have more patience with their goals as they have to work through a lot of troubles. Of course, this might be a society thing.

[LightDreamer]

I have noticed that in both girls and boys, that their attention to anything else but the thing that has caught there attention is disconcerted. Give me an example.

I believe both my parents do things to accomadate the family. My brother, however comes home late every night with no disregard for the family. However, neither do I.

[Mal]

women are smarter WILL live longer (cause they take care of them selfs) and way tougher (in character)than men more nice than men and have better taste in fashion than men X DTaking care of yourself is boring, you have to do absolutely everything that could possibly be harmful. Personally, I plan on jumping from a plane with no parachute when I'm 74 years old.

Seriously, what is every talking about? This is just stupid. Men and women each have their advantages and disadvantages.

[flareofdragon]

Seriously, what is every talking about? This is just stupid. Men and women each have their advantages and disadvantages.
Lightdreamer is offended by that.

At lightdreamer:
But a male's attention is much more focused at that one goal or object of attraction than a women's, as long as they are interested in it first. Its kind of like the stereotypical male football game, or how a man cannot leave a subject until its done. Women tend to leave more things off, they tend to leave an argument they feel differently about just to keep peace (Another point brought up by the women's research), unless directly provoked (though this is pretty opiniated, it depends on how you are raised). Thus, they are not oblivious to all but that goal.

And a man and a woman think differently, its pretty much known to everybody, except you it seems. Now science is trying to find out how or why they think differently, and I am just trying to make sense of all the data that is out there.

Alright, I really do not know why I am trying to prove this point anymore. You ask for more and more evidence, and yet you seem to disregard them with no thought. I have calmly went over my idea, and you have not proven me wrong. It seems obvious that I cannot sway you or effect your thought process at all, so I see no point to debating anymore. There is nothing more to say, all that will be said would be reiteration. Plus you have yet to give me references that proves me otherwise, you have only asked my reasoning. In a debate, you have to look up evidence against me as well.

[LightDreamer]

Honestly, you tell me not to put words in your mouth and what are you doing? It's like you're trying to get ppl on your side o.O Hypocrite.

Okay, I never once said men don't do things better than girls, nor did I say girls do one thing better than guys. I just disagree with your choice of assets that guys have that girls don't, or what girls have that guys don't -.-; Like Mrpwnzers said, 'I, nor anybody, can judge genders because all persons within their gender are different.'

For your big information, there are a hell of a lot of girls that like football, and a hell of a lot of guys that don't. Even if it is a trend! It does not make it a fact, and you can't hold it against another sex.

If the entire world thought you being a fat head was a trend, would you yourself think you were a fathead? would everyone agree you were a fat head just becuase the rest of the world did. Would it make everyone like you a fathead.

If the majority of guys I saw only cared about the size of a girls boob, and will only date you if you are extremely hot, and most of the guys portrayed on tv, mostly only date girls that are; well hot. Does that mean the male species is superficial? But, if you ask most of the guys in here if they care about looks, a lot of them will say no. So, are guy's superficial?

And don't turn this around on girls, guy's have always been the more dominate sex, and have always effected girls in the area of their looks. In the 1900's girls have had to wear corsets, that rearranged their organs, so guys would find them more appealing with their hour glass shape. And if their boobs were too small, you had to stuff! [they found a more efficient way to get those nice globes these days huh?]

The general man and woman think different, all men and all women do not. There are tomboys, there are transexuals, there are drag queens. W/e!

I'm not looking for more evidence, I'm looking for a sliver of evidence, which you have yet presented me. All the 'evidence' you have found me so far, is that it's possible for a girl to grow a penis. It's called logic, you don't get evidence for that. When you show me something worth finding evidence against, maybe then.

[flareofdragon]

Honestly, you tell me not to put words in your mouth and what are you doing? It's like you're trying to get ppl on your side o.O Hypocrite.
No, I am just explaining the situation. I am also replying to various posts not from yours. I have been debating you alone for what? 3 pages? I do not need more people on my side.

Okay, I never once said men don't do things better than girls, nor did I say girls do one thing better than guys. I just disagree with your choice of assets that guys have that girls don't, or what girls have that guys don't -.-; Like Mrpwnzers said, 'I, nor anybody, can judge genders because all persons within their gender are different.'

Ok, so you think its acceptable to think that a male and female mind are different but you do not want to label the differentiation because it is going against the individuals of that sex?

No. Its okay to find the "average girl," no girl is going to be subjagated to live that "average" life.

For your big information, there are a hell of a lot of girls that like football, and a hell of a lot of guys that don't. Even if it is a trend! It does not make it a fact, and you can't hold it against another sex.
Yes a lot of girls like footballs and athletic abilities. I am not saying that, I am trying to show you examples of when men are oblivious.

If the entire world thought you being a fat head was a trend, would you yourself think you were a fathead? would everyone agree you were a fat head just becuase the rest of the world did. Would it make everyone like you a fathead.
If most people think I have a fat head, then I probably have a fat head. So what?

If the majority of guys I saw only cared about the size of a girls boob, and will only date you if you are extremely hot, and most of the guys portrayed on tv, mostly only date girls that are; well hot. Does that mean the male species is superficial? But, if you ask most of the guys in here if they care about looks, a lot of them will say no. So, are guy's superficial?
Thats media portrayment. Thats what society view situations to be, and how they want to shape their young, not the trend of actual society.

And don't turn this around on girls, guy's have always been the more dominate sex, and have always effected girls in the area of their looks. In the 1900's girls have had to wear corsets, that rearranged their organs, so guys would find them more appealing with their hour glass shape. And if their boobs were too small, you had to stuff! [they found a more efficient way to get those nice globes these days huh?]
I never know why girls go to such a big length to look "pretty." I do not know why girls get their bottom rib taken out or go on diets. But hey, I do not get fashion, I think the best girls are the healthy ones. Those skinny ones just freak me out and look sickly.

The general man and woman think different, all men and all women do not. There are tomboys, there are transexuals, there are drag queens. W/e!

I'm not looking for more evidence, I'm looking for a sliver of evidence, which you have yet presented me. All the 'evidence' you have found me so far, is that it's possible for a girl to grow a penis. It's called logic, you don't get evidence for that. When you show me something worth finding evidence against, maybe then.
-_- I am not going for individuals. I know there are transexuals and such. But the differentiation of a male and feminine brains just furthers my search for the benifits and downfalls of each sex.

Tomboys? They are cool.

And another thing, women are found to take less risks, even the headstrong ones. I think the researcher's name was Evans, but what he/she (I am not sure, the gender of the searcher was not specified) said is that women take less risks because they are generally more emotionally inclined. They do not take risks like men do.

I am reading that as they are not oblivious to everything around them.


I have shown you a lot more proof than what you are giving me credit for, but if you want me to give you some difference between male and female sexes:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml

There are a lot of article about trends about female and male. Read trends, not individuals.

[LightDreamer]

Ok, so you think its acceptable to think that a male and female mind are different but you do not want to label the differentiation because it is going against the individuals of that sex?

Yes a lot of girls like footballs and athletic abilities. I am not saying that, I am trying to show you examples of when men are oblivious.

Thats media portrayment. Thats what society view situations to be, and how they want to shape their young, not the trend of actual society.

I never know why girls go to such a big length to look "pretty." I do not know why girls get their bottom rib taken out or go on diets. But hey, I do not get fashion, I think the best girls are the healthy ones. Those skinny ones just freak me out and look sickly.

And another thing, women are found to take less risks, even the headstrong ones. I think the researcher's name was Evans, but what he/she (I am not sure, the gender of the searcher was not specified) said is that women take less risks because they are generally more emotionally inclined. They do not take risks like men do.

I am reading that as they are not oblivious to everything around them.


I have shown you a lot more proof than what you are giving me credit for, but if you want me to give you some difference between male and female sexes:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml

There are a lot of article about trends about female and male. Read trends, not individuals.


Mmkay, for one girls back in those days were not allowed to choose how they looked, their wanted look was chosen for them when the doctor says, 'it's a girl'
Corsets HURT LIKE HELL, girls may willingly put it on, but they don't want too. You see, back in those days, guys wanted girls who were think, with the 'hour glass shape' and girls wanted husbands, for you can't survive in the world without husbands. So much in fact, that if your husband divorced you then you would be 'used 'trash' and nobody else would want you, you'd either become a hobo or live with family. See, girls weren't allowed to do a lot of jobs in the early 1900s. They looked like this to attract men, because otherwise men would not want them.

Sadly, a lot of women still do it today, get plastic surgery, wear tight clothing, become anorexic. I don't know, some guys find that sexy! Now tell me, are men superficial, they are what drove women to such drastic measure to look appealing in the first place.

And science proves that women live longer, but then it also proves short ppl live longer.

ANd the question wasn't 'have a fat head' it was 'are a fat head'

Emotions, come from hormones, female hormones start from the menstrual cycle. Still genetics.

My question is not, why you think a certain why. It's how could you possible prove that men focus more then girls. Are you going to go from home to home and study each family to see if the majority of patient people are the women or the guys.

I don't know if you know about good parent bad parent. The one who makes you eat vegetables, the one who lets you stay up late. Well it's usually the mom that inforces the rules ain't it? And I don't know about the rest of the world's moms, but my mom is not patient with getting wat she wants. My dad however, as long as it gets done he's fine. He'll give you a time period, you do w/e, and thus happens. However it could be the completely opposite or completely the same with any other family. WHO KNOWS!

Men and women are different, I knoooow that. I do not understand how you could come to the conclusion that guys are better focusers than girls.

And I understand you draw things from your personal experience. But who are you? YOu could hang out with extremely smart guy friends of yours! For all I know, the only girl you've ever seen up close is one on the tv, or in some disney movie! that may or may not explain your reasoning. I don't know, but it doesn't work with everything. Logic is not based on your personal experience.

[flareofdragon]

Mmkay, for one girls back in those days were not allowed to choose how they looked, their wanted look was chosen for them when the doctor says, 'it's a girl'
Corsets HURT LIKE HELL, girls may willingly put it on, but they don't want too. You see, back in those days, guys wanted girls who were think, with the 'hour glass shape' and girls wanted husbands, for you can't survive in the world without husbands. So much in fact, that if your husband divorced you then you would be 'used 'trash' and nobody else would want you, you'd either become a hobo or live with family. See, girls weren't allowed to do a lot of jobs in the early 1900s. They looked like this to attract men, because otherwise men would not want them.
Ok... so? Girls have to watch their image, is that what you are saying?

Sadly, a lot of women still do it today, get plastic surgery, wear tight clothing, become anorexic. I don't know, some guys find that sexy! Now tell me, are men superficial, they are what drove women to such drastic measure to look appealing in the first place.
Umm... there are a lot of people in the world who think cosmetic surgery is not good. Guys included.

And science proves that women live longer.
Good hygiene. Don't know about short people, maybe their cell do not divide as fast?

ANd the question wasn't 'have a fat head' it was 'are a fat head'
.... I fail to see the difference. But yes either way.

Emotions, come from hormones, female hormones start from the menstrual cycle. Still genetics.
Not exactly. Emotions are heightened by hormones, this is true, but they do not come from it (Hmm... you could have brought sites to prove this point). Besides its not just their emotions, its the fear of affecting their image to the people around them.

I know guys watch their image. But girls are more "perfecting" in this one.

My question is not, why you think a certain why. It's how could you possible prove that men focus more then girls. Are you going to go from home to home and study each family to see if the majority of patient people are the women or the guys.
I cannot prove it, not right now anyway. Its a hypothesis/conclusion from the details I observed. But I might be relying on insufficient data, I do not know, what I do know is that I am trying to combine what is available to me so that it reveals a new thing.

I don't know if you know about good parent bad parent. The one who makes you eat vegetables, the one who lets you stay up late. Well it's usually the mom that inforces the rules ain't it? And I don't know about the rest of the world's moms, but my mom is not patient with getting wat she wants. My dad however, as long as it gets done he's fine. He'll give you a time period, you do w/e, and thus happens. However it could be the completely opposite or completely the same with any other family. WHO KNOWS!
But that involves another factor, how much do you care/control your children? You know, there are a lot of other factors going through a mind before a decision is enacted.

Men and women are different, I knoooow that. I do not understand how you could come to the conclusion that guys are better focusers than girls.

And I understand you draw things from your personal experience. But who are you? YOu could hang out with extremely smart guy friends of yours! For all I know, the only girl you've ever seen up close is one on the tv, or in some disney movie! that may or may not explain your reasoning. I don't know, but it doesn't work with everything. Logic is not based on your personal experience.
Hey, it might be just society, but I believe that this is more genetical. Its kind of like how Freud related every single action of humanity to the drive of sex and food.

But a hypothesis is based upon your knowledge. And my knowledge sees all this information and tries to combine to form a pattern. The pattern is simple.

And did you go to that link and read all of the articles after taking that quiz?




Edit: Perfect way to say this "focusing" thing. Guys do not tend to multi task as much as girls unless they are focusing on the ability to multi-task. Does that make sense?

[Kiba_is_mine]

Personally I don't think one gender is better than the other. Both genders have good and bad values and points etc etc.

[LightDreamer]

Ok... so? Girls have to watch their image, is that what you are saying?

Girls watch their image so guys think they're appealing and go for them.


Umm... there are a lot of people in the world who think cosmetic surgery is not good. Guys included.

There are more guy's out there that encourage girls to get breast implants, then there are girls who encourage guys to take penis enhancing drugs.

stop ignoring my question, Do you believe guy's [as a trend] are superficial? It seems to me that have been since the beginning of time.


.... I fail to see the difference. But yes either way.

AGH >< you fail at understanding the immature mind.


Not exactly. Emotions are heightened by hormones, this is true, but they do not come from it (Hmm... you could have brought sites to prove this point). Besides its not just their emotions, its the fear of affecting their image to the people around them.

And what exactly controls the emotions? Why do you think girls are emotionally enept during their PMS periods?


I cannot prove it, not right now anyway. Its a hypothesis/conclusion from the details I observed. But I might be relying on insufficient data, I do not know, what I do know is that I am trying to combine what is available to me so that it reveals a new thing.

well if me and you observe things entirely different, who's right?


But that involves another factor, how much do you care/control your children? You know, there are a lot of other factors going through a mind before a decision is enacted.

I'm confused at how this is relevant to anything. If you're saying girls have the maternal instinct thing, I think you should know there are a lot of ppl who don't want to have children when they grow up, guy's and girls included. me included.



But a hypothesis is based upon your knowledge. And my knowledge sees all this information and tries to combine to form a pattern. The pattern is simple.
It's confusing how you talk as though your knowledge is an object, an animated object none the less. I'm sorry I don't see a pattern.




Edit: Perfect way to say this "focusing" thing. Guys do not tend to multi task as much as girls unless they are focusing on the ability to multi-task. Does that make sense?[/QUOTE]

My dad multi-tasks better then anyone I've ever known, my mom can't multi task for beans, she usually ends up burning something. I can't really multi-task either. If I'm talking to you while writing on a piece of paper I usually end up writing down your name or what you're saying.

There are guys who can multi-task, without having to 'focus' on it. ANd there are girls who can multi-task. Vice Versa.

[MrPwnzerz]

Haha. Neither of my parents can multi task. :p Anyhow, how can you say only girls watch their images to appeal to the opposite gender? As pathetic as I personally think it is, I know guys that go nuts everyday making sure they look good for a "crush."

[Shadow]

I agree with MrPwnzerz but we men only watch or care about our image mostly when their is someone to impress or attract women do it 24/7

[Inuzuka_Riyo]

I'm going to present another side of the argument, just to be different. It is a proven fact that the reason there significantly more male serial killers than female is because women are less geneticall and environmentally prone to the triggers that cause them to become one. (such as stress, abuse, extremely high/low levels of seratonin and norepinephrine...). If u want proof, i wrote a huge ass paper about serial killers........it would take me a while to find the sources again, but i could post them in a couple of days (i dont have the paper with me, its back home) if u want it.

my opinion: based on this women have a slightly better developed brain for keeping chemical balances in check, and better coping mechanisms for environmental triggers.

[Jaxon]

Hm. Yeah, but at the end of the day, chemical factors can easily be altered. In these days, the biological difference of men and women can become trivial because it's altered so easily, via genetic engineering etc.

[LightDreamer]

Haha. Neither of my parents can multi task. :p Anyhow, how can you say only girls watch their images to appeal to the opposite gender? As pathetic as I personally think it is, I know guys that go nuts everyday making sure they look good for a "crush."

I never said guy's don't try to make themselves appeal to the opposite sex, I said since the beginning of time it's the girls who were generally altered to be more appealing to guys. i.e Corsets, breast implants.

There are more guy's out there that will compare with other guy's on how big their penis's are, then there are girls who compare how big their breast sizes are, and laugh when there's is bigger. Are we too say guy's as a trend are superficial, though? No. Who do you think uses the term to other ppl 'flat as a board' more? It's generally used more by guy's, maybe it's an emotional thing that girls generally dont' use it on other girls. But do you see me calling guy's superficial? No! Because there are a lot of guy's I know that would never say that, and wouldn't care what size your breasts are.

So how is it you [i'm talking to FOD now] can say guy's are better focusers and girls are better at being patient as a trend, when you wouldn't see a lot of ppl saying guy's are generally superficial. Unless you agree that guy's are superficial.

[flareofdragon]

EDIT: The swimming thing I said (about how a guy would win 9/10) is very biased since I think swimming is mostly muscle dominated. Of course, this could/would be wrong as I am not a swimmer.

Girls watch their image so guys think they're appealing and go for them.
Sure. And they also try to relay status through their looks. I do not think guys are the only reason girls try to look good.


There are more guy's out there that encourage girls to get breast implants, then there are girls who encourage guys to take penis enhancing drugs.

stop ignoring my question, Do you believe guy's [as a trend] are superficial? It seems to me that have been since the beginning of time.
I am sure you have a data to support that outright statement.

Guys do tend to look at the surface. I do not, well I do not think so, but I believe guys do.

There was a recent study. Guys get horny when they are watching girls do it (the straight ones, the others get horny from guys doing it), but girls react to each and every scene similarly. So girls need another requirement before they do it. This means they have to look "deeper."

AGH >< you fail at understanding the immature mind.
If you meant the question like... "If the world thinks you are gay, are you?" Well then it depends upon which sex I like I better. But it will not make the difference to the world will it?


And what exactly controls the emotions? Why do you think girls are emotionally enept during their PMS periods?
Situations. Hormones do effect emotions, but I do not think thats the main gist of it.

well if me and you observe things entirely different, who's right?
No one. But I am trying to show you things I observed and see if that will sway your opinion. And you still did not go to that bbc link I gave, did you?


I'm confused at how this is relevant to anything. If you're saying girls have the maternal instinct thing, I think you should know there are a lot of ppl who don't want to have children when they grow up, guy's and girls included. me included.
It matters because I am saying that there are other instincts in the human brain that will change a person's decision. My trend will not give a clear-cut behavorial pattern in all of life's situation because there are other trends that will cut in.

It's confusing how you talk as though your knowledge is an object, an animated object none the less. I'm sorry I don't see a pattern.
Well what should I refer to it as? And I do not care if you see a pattern or not, I just need to show you where I am coming from.


My dad multi-tasks better then anyone I've ever known, my mom can't multi task for beans, she usually ends up burning something. I can't really multi-task either. If I'm talking to you while writing on a piece of paper I usually end up writing down your name or what you're saying.

There are guys who can multi-task, without having to 'focus' on it. ANd there are girls who can multi-task. Vice Versa.
Oh really. I see girls talk to 6 different people, cook, clean and keep it all straight at the same time. I can talk to 6 different people, but I cannot do it while I am cooking. I can cook a lot of food (4 as that is how many stoves I have) at the same time, but I cannot do that while I am doing homework.

-_- You seem to always take another approach to what I say, but I will try to make it clearer.

Guys are more task-driven. Pure simplicity, agreed or not I do have a few lines, but the second and the third are theories, they have not stood the test of time but do have evidence compiling. In anycase:

His idea of a good conversation was one with impersonal, factual, task-focused content. Hers was one with personal content.
Similarly, I am just extrapolating such into a behavorial pattern.


Goldberg maintains that although males and females are different in their genetic and hormonally-driven behavior, this does not mean that one sex is superior or inferior to another. Each gender has different strengths and weaknesses. However, he believes the neuro-endocrinological evidence is clear: The high level of testosterone in males drives them toward dominance in the world, while the lack of high levels of this hormone in women creates a natural, biological push in the direction of less dominant and more nurturing roles in society.
I do not agree with the nurturing or dominance (there is probably an implied definition), but the first part I agree with. Basically, I am just trying to show you the idea of specialization with this quote.

And there are a lot of scientific evidence growing for specialization.

Differences in the ways men and women communicate is also a function of sex-specific areas of the brain. Women seem to have an enhanced awareness of "emotionally relevant details, visual cues, verbal nuances, and hidden meanings," writes Nadeau. Similarly, while male infants are more interested in objects than in people, female infants respond more readily to the human voice than do male infants.


Simply, girls are less task-driven then guys. They look more at emotions and other stuff, not just the task in hand. That is what I am trying to say with the multi-tasking and "focusing."



I recall one Saturday afternoon telling my wife that I would occupy the children in the front yard so she could get some things done in the house. We live on a relatively busy street. Our four children were all under six years old at the time. I became immersed in the task of teaching Nicholas to ride his two-wheeler and was unaware that two-year-old Neil was toddling out into the street. Lois, glancing out the window, saw his intentions and arrived in time to intercept him and to offer me some helpful parenting advice.
Personal experience. W/e. He became ignorant of the tasks other than the one at hand.

[LightDreamer]

Sure. And they also try to relay status through their looks. I do not think guys are the only reason girls try to look good.
It's a main reason, humans are all hormone emotions driven cretens.


I am sure you have a data to support that outright statement.
Lmao, how can you say that when you obviously can't support your own. Call it 'personal experience'. And don't be a hypocrite or anything.


Guys do tend to look at the surface. I do not, well I do not think so, but I believe guys do.
I'm sorry was that you admiting guy's are superficial?


There was a recent study. Guys get horny when they are watching girls do it (the straight ones, the others get horny from guys doing it), but girls react to each and every scene similarly. So girls need another requirement before they do it. This means they have to look "deeper."

Ahh, but they still get horny. Do you realize how many yaoi lovers there are out there? and how most of them are girls? Are you saying girls have more emotions then guys?


If you meant the question like... "If the world thinks you are gay, are you?" Well then it depends upon which sex I like I better. But it will not make the difference to the world will it?
that is not what I meant.


Oh really. I see girls talk to 6 different people, cook, clean and keep it all straight at the same time. I can talk to 6 different people, but I cannot do it while I am cooking. I can cook a lot of food (4 as that is how many stoves I have) at the same time, but I cannot do that while I am doing homework.
Really? see I can't do any of that! Tell me again how this helps your arguement. How many girls have you seen talk to 6 different ppl, cook, and clean, and keep it all straight at the same time. Oh that's just rude if ur talking to 6 different ppl at a time, unless ur talking about msn -.-; then who doesn't talk to that many ppl at the same time.


-_- You seem to always take another approach to what I say, but I will try to make it clearer.

Guys are more task-driven. Pure simplicity, agreed or not I do have a few lines, but the second and the third are theories, they have not stood the test of time but do have evidence compiling. In anycase:

Simply, girls are less task-driven then guys. They look more at emotions and other stuff, not just the task in hand. That is what I am trying to say with the multi-tasking and "focusing."

I know a lot of girls who are emotionally inept, and I know a lot of guys, although they'd kill me if i ever spoke their name, who are incredibly emotional.

My dad would kill me if he ever realized I said this, but his eyes water during sad movies, and my moms don't. When my cat died, my dad cried more than my mom did. You siad it's situations right? what about all these situations!

THere's a boy I know, he annoys me beyond belief. He's incredibly self absorbed, always thinks the world is crumbling around him, not uss the human race, just him. everything is wrong with his world, and everyone else's world is a.o.k. It's like he doesn't realize ppl out there are hurting a lot more than he ever could. And what's more he's overly emotional about the stupidest things, like how he doesn't have a girlfriend, well he's had 5! And by the way he [I know this is irrelevant] But he looks like Sasuke -.-; and I know it's still irrelevant, but he breakdances and he's hot. And every girl who's ever met him, has ever heard of him, falls madly in love with him. And it's not enough, it's never enough. And emotional bullocks sprouts from his mouth every moment of every day, and I should probably just shut my mouth now. But the point is, he is one of the most emotional people I have ever met!

ANd I'm sure there's a billion more of them out there. ANd what else, guy's probably don't 'talk about there feelings' a lot but they're still there! They still have emotions, greater or less than that of another females. You are one guy, how many times have you talked about your guy friend's emotions with him. So how can you honestly tell me guys have more emotions when you probably have never sat down and had a real talk about whether or not he's okay? Whether he's crying inside? Dying inside? We all wear masks, for life is a masqurade, and a masqurade has more than 1 sex. just becuase you don't say it out loud doesn't mean ur emotionless. U are 1 Person. Do not give me bullshit about how your emotions are less than that of a girls just becuase girls voice their emotions more. There's another thing, guy's dont' talk about their emotions because other ppl will look at them as weak, their outlook will change. Are males superficial? or Just egotistical?

In that story, with the mom and the dad who almost let his kid get run over. Why can't you say it was the mom's task-driven tendency also known as maternal instincts to watch her kids and protect them from danger. Call it a task-driven 24/7 job if you will.


Personal experience. W/e. He became ignorant of the tasks other than the one at hand.
The women's task was too look after her kids no matter the circumstances, and I'd say she was pretty 'focused' on that, a 24/7 job.

[flareofdragon]

It's a main reason, humans are all hormone emotions driven cretens.
Actually, women will try to look good whenever possible. It supports status, why do you think we have white shirts and dresses?


Lmao, how can you say that when you obviously can't support your own. Call it 'personal experience'. And don't be a hypocrite or anything.
I found data, you didn't. Point made. Do not say I have not because I gave you 6 links, and thats from the top of my head.


I'm sorry was that you admiting guy's are superficial?
Most are. Did I ever say they were not? If I did, then sorry, I do think guys are superficial.



Ahh, but they still get horny. Do you realize how many yaoi lovers there are out there? and how most of them are girls? Are you saying girls have more emotions then guys?
No. Girls get aroused no matter what kind of sex they are watching. Thus there needs to be an additional stimulus, which is what people are talking about when they say "look deeper."


that is not what I meant. Then explain.


Really? see I can't do any of that! Tell me again how this helps your arguement. How many girls have you seen talk to 6 different ppl, cook, and clean, and keep it all straight at the same time. Oh that's just rude if ur talking to 6 different ppl at a time, unless ur talking about msn -.-; then who doesn't talk to that many ppl at the same time.
Lets see, my mom, sister, a few of my friends...

And I don't. Well on very rare occasions.



I know a lot of girls who are emotionally inept, and I know a lot of guys, although they'd kill me if i ever spoke their name, who are incredibly emotional.

My dad would kill me if he ever realized I said this, but his eyes water during sad movies, and my moms don't. When my cat died, my dad cried more than my mom did. You siad it's situations right? what about all these situations!

THere's a boy I know, he annoys me beyond belief. He's incredibly self absorbed, always thinks the world is crumbling around him, not uss the human race, just him. everything is wrong with his world, and everyone else's world is a.o.k. It's like he doesn't realize ppl out there are hurting a lot more than he ever could. And what's more he's overly emotional about the stupidest things, like how he doesn't have a girlfriend, well he's had 5! And by the way he [I know this is irrelevant] But he looks like Sasuke -.-; and I know it's still irrelevant, but he breakdances and he's hot. And every girl who's ever met him, has ever heard of him, falls madly in love with him. And it's not enough, it's never enough. And emotional bullocks sprouts from his mouth every moment of every day, and I should probably just shut my mouth now. But the point is, he is one of the most emotional people I have ever met!

ANd I'm sure there's a billion more of them out there. ANd what else, guy's probably don't 'talk about there feelings' a lot but they're still there! They still have emotions, greater or less than that of another females. You are one guy, how many times have you talked about your guy friend's emotions with him. So how can you honestly tell me guys have more emotions when you probably have never sat down and had a real talk about whether or not he's okay? Whether he's crying inside? Dying inside? We all wear masks, for life is a masqurade, and a masqurade has more than 1 sex. just becuase you don't say it out loud doesn't mean ur emotionless. U are 1 Person. Do not give me bullshit about how your emotions are less than that of a girls just becuase girls voice their emotions more. There's another thing, guy's dont' talk about their emotions because other ppl will look at them as weak, their outlook will change. Are males superficial? or Just egotistical?

In that story, with the mom and the dad who almost let his kid get run over. Why can't you say it was the mom's task-driven tendency also known as maternal instincts to watch her kids and protect them from danger. Call it a task-driven 24/7 job if you will.


The women's task was too look after her kids no matter the circumstances, and I'd say she was pretty 'focused' on that, a 24/7 job.
LMAO. Emotions. No, there was nothing on emotions except the fact that women do tend to read emotions better than males (GO TO BBC!!!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml). And the woman was inside the house, she was supposed to be cleaning it or w/e. The guy said he would take care of the children, but he became immersed in only one. The woman, who was told that she should forget about the children and do other tasks, was the one who noticed the child. Thats "multi-tasking" or "anti task-driven."

And pick a side. Do women have maternal instincts or not? Either way, she focused on two activities at the same time instead of one.

-_- There was nothing about feeling more emotions. Sure girls are more vocal with it (although some are not due to various backstabbings) but I never stated that guys do not come with emotions. Hell I was pretty emotional back when I was 13, well not really, but I was more emotional than I am right now.

[LightDreamer]

Actually, women will try to look good whenever possible. It supports status, why do you think we have white shirts and dresses?
One it makes a person feel good, and two no not everyone does.


I found data, you didn't. Point made. Do not say I have not because I gave you 6 links, and thats from the top of my head.
o.O FOr the whole focus thing, yous aid that was all 'personal experience' why can't I use my 'personal experience' all your sites relate nothing to the focus and patience thing.


Most are. Did I ever say they were not? If I did, then sorry, I do think guys are superficial.
=]...




No. Girls get aroused no matter what kind of sex they are watching. Thus there needs to be an additional stimulus, which is what people are talking about when they say "look deeper."
I'm sorry, I didn't realize there were levels to arousal! Randy is Randy.


Then explain.
No ur too thick-headed and misunderstanding and interpretting things wrongly.



Lets see, my mom, sister, a few of my friends...
Wow you're saying that most girls can cook talk to 6 ppl blah blah blah based on possibly 5 ppl, give or take a few. A lot of girls can't multi-task, and a lot of guys can. What's the point ur trying to make here?


LMAO. Emotions. No, there was nothing on emotions except the fact that women do tend to read emotions better than males (GO TO BBC!!!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml). And the woman was inside the house, she was supposed to be cleaning it or w/e. The guy said he would take care of the children, but he became immersed in only one. The woman, who was told that she should forget about the children and do other tasks, was the one who noticed the child. Thats "multi-tasking" or "anti task-driven."
Being a loving mother is a full time job DUH, any mother could have told you that. any mother could have told you everything she does is mostly for her kids. Cleaning house, for her kids. And maybe she just doesn't trust the husband, why else would she randomly look out the window, unless she was 'cleaning' this window, and realized her son was in the middle of the street, I don't call that anti-task-driven, I call that common sense. When you see your baby in the middle of the street while cleaning the house and you don't do anything about it. Then tell men are more focused.


And pick a side. Do women have maternal instincts or not? Either way, she focused on two activities at the same time instead of one.
When did I say women don't have maternal instincts. This particular case of father just lacked in his paternal instincts.


-_- There was nothing about feeling more emotions. Sure girls are more vocal with it (although some are not due to various backstabbings) but I never stated that guys do not come with emotions. Hell I was pretty emotional back when I was 13, well not really, but I was more emotional than I am right now.

I clearly remember you saying something about girls having more emotions =] okay? okay, bye bye!

[flareofdragon]

Obviously you have not looked enough in fashion. White represents cleansiness and the ability to keep it clean. Stains show up faster in these clothes so wearing a completely clean white shirt shows an ability to be neat and orderly. This is why hospitals generally use white and why most people wear white shirts when they need to make an impact. Obviously this has nothing to do with the other sex, in fact the advent of white shirts came when people were improvished and looking for jobs in London.

Purple was the color of the rich. Indigo was a very expensive color so only the nobility had this color. Thats why a lot of king's gowns were made in purple, not because it looked good, but because it symbolized wealth.


o.O FOr the whole focus thing, yous aid that was all 'personal experience' why can't I use my 'personal experience' all your sites relate nothing to the focus and patience thing.
LMAO. There are 4 links (quote) in my post before the post before this one. They do relate to it.

I established specialization.
I established one idea of specialization.
I established that woman did not completely focus in the task at hand. I do not care what it was, it showed women's lack of obliviousness.
I also established how guys are looking at the task at hand compared to a girls. I even simplified it for you so you get what I am showing you.

And there are states of arousal. For example:
o Wow, I would do her.
o *bulge in pants*
o *really .... excited*
o If I don't do her in the next 10 minutes, I am going to blow right here.

Emotional as in vocalizing emotions.

And what about you? You are trying to contradict me by showing only your dad, mom, and a few friends. You are hypocritic, I am showing a lot more sources than you ever have. In fact, I have not even seen one link from you.

And you always interpret my statements wrongly, but I do not call you thick-headed. And I try to explain it to you so you can understand it. So I think you are being hypocrytical and just plain idiotic/stubborn right now.

If you're saying girls have the maternal instinct thing, I think you should know there are a lot of ppl who don't want to have children when they grow up, guy's and girls included. me included.
Wow, that looks like it contradicts your "maternal instincts."




And what was with the superficial thing? I see no reason to even bring that up.

[LightDreamer]

Obviously you have not looked enough in fashion. White represents cleansiness and the ability to keep it clean. Stains show up faster in these clothes so wearing a completely clean white shirt shows an ability to be neat and orderly. This is why hospitals generally use white and why most people wear white shirts when they need to make an impact. Obviously this has nothing to do with the other sex, in fact the advent of white shirts came when people were improvished and looking for jobs in London.

Purple was the color of the rich. Indigo was a very expensive color so only the nobility had this color. Thats why a lot of king's gowns were made in purple, not because it looked good, but because it symbolized wealth.


LMAO. There are 4 links (quote) in my post before the post before this one. They do relate to it.

I established specialization.
I established one idea of specialization.
I established that woman did not completely focus in the task at hand. I do not care what it was, it showed women's lack of obliviousness.
I also established how guys are looking at the task at hand compared to a girls. I even simplified it for you so you get what I am showing you.

And there are states of arousal. For example:
o Wow, I would do her.
o *bulge in pants*
o *really .... excited*
o If I don't do her in the next 10 minutes, I am going to blow right here.

Emotional as in vocalizing emotions.

And what about you? You are trying to contradict me by showing only your dad, mom, and a few friends. You are hypocritic, I am showing a lot more sources than you ever have. In fact, I have not even seen one link from you.

And you always interpret my statements wrongly, but I do not call you thick-headed. And I try to explain it to you so you can understand it. So I think you are being hypocrytical and just plain idiotic/stubborn right now.

this is stupid and a waste of time so this will be my last post in here.

One, when did I ever say anything about colours? Two, no I haven't gone to your sites, I'm lazy. Three, I'm lazy. Four, Just becuase you've 'set it up right' doesn't make it right. Five, those aren't states of arousal, that's some unneeded quotes from randy ppl. Six, you never said vocalized emotions, so girls vocalize their emotions more, so what? that only proves further that guys are egotistical and build walls. Seven, you're a hypocrite from the mere fact ur calling me a hypocrite. Eight, I'm lazy? Nine, maybe you've set up your things in a way that they are able to be interpreted wrongly. Ten, You suck at explaining things, or sounds stupid no matter how hard you try. Eleven, I'd take offense to being called stupid, but when did I say i was perfect? Also, I'm too lazy to do anything about it, and ur not so perfect urself. Thirteen, it's incredibly humourous that you can call me hypocritical, thats right I spelt it with a u, as you continue to create hypocracy in your posts. Fourteen, no ur idiotic.

You see this is a debate about men vs women. I don't think either are better nor worse than the other, you supposedly agree. So who stuck a stick up your ass?

[flareofdragon]

.....

Wow....

I feel so ashamed...

If that quote had any thing relevant. I figured you were lazy. You don't click on link I have given, you fail at even backing up your opinions with research which I know exist, and you are only fighting against me because you have this vague notion that I am trying to stereotype.

And I am bringing up colors because you arguing about fashion.

I don't care if you are lazy, that means you lost. Thats like saying you expect pay when you are not doing your share of the task.

You seem to have some notion that I am hypocritic. You are partially right about that although you have not stumbled on the reason. YOU are the hypocritic one in this debate, you are the stubborn/closed minded one. I am not the one here who is trying to fight against the opponent with personal experiences only while requesting something more from the opponent.

That way of argument is ignorant hypocritic and unfair. Congratulations, you stayed with your point. Go home eat a cookie and don't debate again. Because frankly, you won't win anything that way.

[Naruto1]

ok. anyway back to the topic on hand, i think men are better because they get to the point, do what needs to be done when women complain and take forever.

[narutoeye]

Men are stronger and more cleaver, but women are prettier.

1- In marathon race at least the first 5 are men, but when woman come at 6th that doesn’t mean this woman is better than all the men coz there are 5 men finished before her.
2- If you see the best world and Olympics record are in men name, but that doesn’t mean men are better women in all sports. Actually mean men are better women in most sports.
3- If you count the number men invertors, professors, discovers and doctors it’s much more than women invertors, professors, discovers and doctors.
4- In my county women get higher grades than men, but that doesn’t mean all world’s women are cleverer than all world’s men.
5- If a USA football team woman achieved much more than USA football team men that doesn’t mean that USA football women team can beat Brazil football team men and they might lose against USA football women team.
6- Women usually prettier and much softer and cleaner than men.
7- Why do you think women live longer than men, because usually men do the most dangerous jobs like making huge buildings and mining I never saw a women do such jobs.
8- Business mans much cleaver than business women, because the first 10 richest people are men.

[Makoto_Duke_War_IV]

Men are stronger and more cleaver, but women are prettier.

1- In marathon race at least the first 5 are men, but when woman come at 6th that doesn’t mean this woman is better than all the men coz there are 5 men finished before her.
2- If you see the best world and Olympics record are in men name, but that doesn’t mean men are better women in all sports. Actually mean men are better women in most sports.
3- If you count the number men invertors, professors, discovers and doctors it’s much more than women invertors, professors, discovers and doctors.
4- In my county women get higher grades than men, but that doesn’t mean all world’s women are cleverer than all world’s men.
5- If a USA football team woman achieved much more than USA football team men that doesn’t mean that USA football women team can beat Brazil football team men and they might lose against USA football women team.
6- Women usually prettier and much softer and cleaner than men.
7- Why do you think women live longer than men, because usually men do the most dangerous jobs like making huge buildings and mining I never saw a women do such jobs.
8- Business mans much cleaver than business women, because the first 10 richest people are men.
Once agian you have proven that you are a mindless doll and that you should be ashamed to call your self a woman

[narutoeye]

Once agian you have proven that you are a mindless doll and that you should be ashamed to call your self a woman
Thank god i'm not woman.

[Kites]

Thank god i'm not woman.
ahahahahaha my ribs ahahaha. I LOVE THIS TOPIC

Men are better, hands down...if you dont believe me here's an example:

http://www.absoluteanime.com/naruto/sakura.jpg

[Makoto_Duke_War_IV]

ahahahahaha my ribs ahahaha. I LOVE THIS TOPIC

Men are better, hands down...if you dont believe me here's an example:

http://www.absoluteanime.com/naruto/sakura.jpg
Haha and the pic didn't even show up. Some example you are.

[flareofdragon]

Actually he is partially right.

Men do account for more geniuses and more physical records. But they also account for most of the stupidity too. Its because of how our brain works.

But the thing about women living longer than men, its because of how women's body handles stress and their better immune system rather than the job thing. More business men do make the top ten than business woman, but that is because men take risks, or shall I say they are more suspectable to taking risks.

However his reasoning blows.

btw, here is the pic's address: http://www.absoluteanime.com/naruto/sakura.jpg

[Makoto_Duke_War_IV]

Actually he is partially right.

Men do account for more geniuses and more physical records. But they also account for most of the stupidity too. Its because of how our brain works.

But the thing about women living longer than men, its because of how women's body handles stress and their better immune system rather than the job thing. More business men do make the top ten than business woman, but that is because men take risks, or shall I say they are more suspectable to taking risks.
So what I work has a bronze-smith and that's a 'men's' job.

[flareofdragon]

So what I work has a bronze-smith and that's a 'men's' job.
Please rephrase that so it is understandable.

[Khari]

omfg ppl while were at it why not make a penis or vagina thread?!

[LightDreamer]

>< OMG I can't take it...

J.K Rowling is second richest in all of England. J.K Rowling is a girl. The number one richest person in England is of course the Queen of England. Does that mean females are generally surperior to men in England. Most would disagree.

Hey HEy uhh Kites? Hey over here, you realize that the character Sakura was CREATED by a guy, Sakura is not an actual person DUH. And you showing that only proves you have no idea what you're talking about, but then you have really awesome kick ass characters like tsunade, etc. so really the rest of the females take no offense to the Naruto Series creator. Taking that into account, would you say that all men are evil using orochimaru as representation? NO.

Also, look at Ranma 1/2 that show was created by a girl, and the majority of kick ass fighting girls are equal of not greater than that of the guys.

Relating this too, Narutoeye. You cannot take 1 person, nor 5 people to represent an entire sex. There are billions and billions of male or female people in the entire world, you cannot say that because this 1 male runs faster than this other female.

Narutoeye, I would also like to say you prove NOTHING in contridiction to this arguement except that you speak funny.

Using this arguement as an example, I can probably say the majority of guys that are coming in here and saying GUY'S RULE BECAUSE WE CAN PEE STANDING UP, is greater than that of girls who come in here and saying GIRL'S RULE BECAUSE WE HAVE BOOBS. With the exception of Tabris...but I choose to ignore her existance >_>

Can i then say that guys like to spam more than girls? and are actually the more idiotic gender? NO, and I'm sure that many incredibly smart males, such as FOD or DA would obviously be very pissed and offended.

Then how can you say things such as guy's are better because we focus better and expect me NOT to be offended, or perhaps you assume I should act 'ladylike'. This is more to the guy who told me I get too offended during arguements, DON'T EXPECT ME NOT TOO.

Also, Thomas Edison, the inventor of the telephone, once invented concrete pipes, which incidentally was a disaster. His wife [yes he had one of those] was deaf? did you know that? the guy who invented the telephone's wife was DEAF. BUT, she was incredibly brilliant and often helped her husband during crisises and wat not. infact she could read lips so well that people often forgot at all that she was deaf in the first place.

I don't know why I said that but I thought you ought to know before anyone else makes claims like men are the more clever species, but girls are good at being pretty -.-; I mean honestly, i don't know a lot of girls who wouldn't take offense to anyone saying that, with an exception to tabris >_> because she's wierd and i don't like her.

I wish to ask you, Narutoeye. If you are indeed an idiot, because that is the only logical explanation I can think of. How many girls have you gone up to and said that and still had them think of you amiably. I am not flaming >_> it is indeed a valid question to be asked by a girl quite offended.

[flareofdragon]

Lol, lightdreamer. You came back, I knew you would.

In anycase: Through my argument you are mistaking money making with business. I won't defend Narutoeye because... he came out as vaguely unfactual. I do not doubt that women can make money and I am not arguing that. I am speaking about competitive business, not many women have made it there. Actually this is a perfect place to relay my point: there are more than one ways to reach a goal. Rowling made her money off of writing, and guys can make it through money. Am I saying that guys have not made money through writing and girls cannot be successful through business? No. Not at all. In fact there are many things that feminine quality that improves business (stores have to attract girls too you know), and there are guys who can write (Edgar allen poe), but they are more successful to one side. But I think individuality comes before roles, so trends are hardly used in real life.

Can i then say that guys like to spam more than girls? and are actually the more idiotic gender? NO, and I'm sure that many incredibly smart males, such as FOD or DA would obviously be very pissed and offended.

Then how can you say things such as guy's are better because we focus better and expect me NOT to be offended, or perhaps you assume I should act 'ladylike'. This is more to the guy who told me I get too offended during arguements, DON'T EXPECT ME NOT TOO.
I can say that you would be right to say that there are more mentally problematic guys than girls. But, as I said, they also account for more genius. Thats because guys are more reliant on one hemisphere of the brain while girls are more centrally reliant (this was an actual study, I do not know where to find it in the net). This puts guys at extremes.

[Kites]

>< OMG I can't take it...



Hey HEy uhh Kites? Hey over here, you realize that the character Sakura was CREATED by a guy, Sakura is not an actual person DUH. And you showing that only proves you have no idea what you're talking about, but then you have really awesome kick ass characters like tsunade, etc. so really the rest of the females take no offense to the Naruto Series creator. Taking that into account, would you say that all men are evil using orochimaru as representation? NO.


It was a joke, why else would I put up sakura. blah blah blah george bush blah blah blah

[LightDreamer]

It was a joke, why else would I put up sakura. blah blah blah george bush blah blah blah

Oh! I get it, ha...it's not funny. Ha ur the only one laughing. I don't even begin to understand how that was funny.

I do not doubt that women can make money and I am not arguing that. I am speaking about competitive business, not many women have made it there. Actually this is a perfect place to relay my point: there are more than one ways to reach a goal. Rowling made her money off of writing, and guys can make it through money. Am I saying that guys have not made money through writing and girls cannot be successful through business? No. Not at all. In fact there are many things that feminine quality that improves business (stores have to attract girls too you know), and there are guys who can write (Edgar allen poe), but they are more successful to one side. But I think individuality comes before roles, so trends are hardly used in real life.

I take it you've never watched the Apprentice? During the first season of that show I believe the girls continually kicked the guy's asses, over and over again. Continually beating them in all the events and challenges. It wasn't until they were forced to mix with the guys that they're winnings started to decrease. Sadly it was a guy who won. and I find that stupid becuase it was the girls who were doing amazing in the beginning -.- thus I stopped watching the show. But I believe at the end of the most recent season, it was a guy AND a girl who in the end were up against each other in the last 2. repeat; guy...AND girl. =]

The bachelor...survivor....and a bunch of other reality tv shows. I believe there are more girls than guys that won in that show. Even in American Idol it was a girl who won first...

I believe it's fair to say that girls are equally as competitive as guys. In my school's Track and Field there is both a guy and a girl coach and blah blah blah...;there I'm finished.

[flareofdragon]

American Idol is a talent search. So is modeling. Yeah you have to be competitive, but talent defines most of it. In business competition (well in america anyway) is everything.

And I rarely watch reality shows. Its mostly about individuals, not trends, that make the difference. And I partially see it as fake and unrealistic (even if they are called reality shows). They are also influenced by companies and such.

Again, I mostly go for general society happenings. I mean a girl does not usually work in a construction factory (and most who do are basically there for data representation). I usually see more guy lawyers than females. I usually see more male businessmen (not small shop owners) than females.

[Kites]

Oh! I get it, ha...it's not funny. Ha ur the only one laughing. I don't even begin to understand how that was funny.
Ohh shaddap your mouth who asked for your feminine opinion

[LightDreamer]

Ohh shaddap your mouth who asked for your feminine opinion

o.O you know what is funny, you clearly don't know wat a debate is...and seeing is how this is the debate section, I must ask you who asked for your input. Oh wait I already know this, NO ONE. So how can you expect someone to wait till they are asked to be give an opinion when you can't even do thus.

Oh yah, btw it wasn't a 'feminine' opinion, it just...WASN'T funny =] It was very very not funny...quite not funny indeed...so not funny that you should probably 'shuddap your mouth'

American Idol is a talent search. So is modeling. Yeah you have to be competitive, but talent defines most of it. In business competition (well in america anyway) is everything.

And I rarely watch reality shows. Its mostly about individuals, not trends, that make the difference. And I partially see it as fake and unrealistic (even if they are called reality shows). They are also influenced by companies and such.

Again, I mostly go for general society happenings. I mean a girl does not usually work in a construction factory (and most who do are basically there for data representation). I usually see more guy lawyers than females. I usually see more male businessmen (not small shop owners) than females.

2 words, Martha Stewart. Greatest bussiness women ever, and the only one who has ever equaled her own bussiness prowless has been Donald Trump. One's a girl, one's a guy.

=T I gotta ask where you 'see' more guy lawyers than girl ones, on tv? Go look at harvard, there are just as much guys as there are girls there, if not only by a small fraction does it differ...I believe.

[Khari]

well well this thread is getting a bit outta hand AS EXCPECTED I mean a battle between sexes come on its pretty obvious ppl would start gettin pissed

[Kites]

o.O you know what is funny, you clearly don't know wat a debate is...and seeing is how this is the debate section, I must ask you who asked for your input. Oh wait I already know this, NO ONE. So how can you expect someone to wait till they are asked to be give an opinion when you can't even do thus.

Oh yah, btw it wasn't a 'feminine' opinion, it just...WASN'T funny =] It was very very not funny...quite not funny indeed...so not funny that you should probably 'shuddap your mouth'
who aksed you to even talk to me. pfff women and their periods sheesh

[Makoto_Duke_War_IV]

who aksed you to even talk to me. pfff women and their periods sheesh
I can't have my period... Why am I telling this to people on a forum?

[OG]

2 words, Martha Stewart. Greatest bussiness women ever, and the only one who has ever equaled her own bussiness prowless has been Donald Trump. One's a girl, one's a guy.
2 words oprah winfrey........also another very successful lady...:D

women are better with multitasking......

[Makoto_Duke_War_IV]

2 words oprah winfrey........also another very successful lady...:D

women are better with multitasking......
True that! ^^

[supersharingan_18]

well i got thousends of words.. xD ... im just gonna start lil by lil... lol.. well... Galileu Galilei, Leonardo Da Vinci, Miguel Angelo and it just keeps going and going and going and going..... xD ...
but anyway.. i believe in God and so i think he wouldnt like to know that we r comparing man and woman.. lol

[flareofdragon]

A quick wikipidea search brought me this:
Martha Stewart (born August 3, 1941) is a television and magazine personality known for her cooking, gardening, etiquette, and arts and crafts projects, and as a general lifestyle guide and homemaker. She is also a successful businesswoman, an American icon, and a convicted felon.

Donald John Trump, Sr. (born June 14, 1946) is an American business executive, founder and CEO of Trump Organization, mainly involved in American real estate business.


See how different that is? Donald trump is know for is managing/business skills while Martha stewart is known for gardening, tv shows (personality), and business.

Multi tasking vs. Speciality. They both seem to be helpful.

[supersharingan_18]

yeah... there r those and much more exemples that man rule..

[Khari]

let me atleast say this ppl like paris hilton make women look BAD

[LightDreamer]

well i got thousends of words.. xD ... im just gonna start lil by lil... lol.. well... Galileu Galilei, Leonardo Da Vinci, Miguel Angelo and it just keeps going and going and going and going..... xD ...
but anyway.. i believe in God and so i think he wouldnt like to know that we r comparing man and woman.. lol

o.O it was also man that stopped Galileu's theories and made him stop his telescoping adventures and locked him up in his house saying that he was creating blasphemy =] and Leonardo was an artist who went insane and cut off his ear, o.O sure he's a well known artist but there are a lot of female artists as well -.-' some who don't cut off their ears.

Well Flare of Dragon, i bet if you ask who is more well known Martha Stewart or Donald Trump, most would say Martha Stewart, becuase that's the show all their moms used to watch growing up, hey it's business baby. Everything she does, is business, how to improve it..blah blah...even the stuff about gardening is business to her. she gets paid to advertise it. Just as Donald Trump pays others to advertise his things...his show is just a giant advertising scheme.

Going back to Oprah Winfrey, that is an excellent example, I believe it was Oprah Winfrey who was the #1 [for guys and girls] who had the most effect on everyone...and was the most...=I I can't remember the exact words, but the point being Oprah Winfrey is a girl.

yeah... there r those and much more exemples that man rule..

HA! Yah...you not being one. =]


let me atleast say this ppl like paris hilton make women look BAD

Yah, thank god we're not represented by her -.-' There are a lot of guy's out there just as bad as paris hilton, thankfully they're just not as rich.

[flareofdragon]

Well Flare of Dragon, i bet if you ask who is more well known Martha Stewart or Donald Trump, most would say Martha Stewart, becuase that's the show all their moms used to watch growing up, hey it's business baby. Everything she does, is business, how to improve it..blah blah...even the stuff about gardening is business to her. she gets paid to advertise it. Just as Donald Trump pays others to advertise his things...his show is just a giant advertising scheme.

Going back to Oprah Winfrey, that is an excellent example, I believe it was Oprah Winfrey who was the #1 [for guys and girls] who had the most effect on everyone...and was the most...=I I can't remember the exact words, but the point being Oprah Winfrey is a girl.
I don't know about you, but I don't see Donald Trump as a TV personality.

And who says girls cannot be successful? Competition is not the only way to be successful.

[sheik]

I feel as if I can sit down with Paris and have an intelligent conversation with her. I could talk about subatomic particles, gravitational equilibrium and other scientific topics with her. I don't think having a sex tape years ago when you were barely legal makes you a slut. She has changed but people's priorities are messed up. I bet if a girl on this forum had a sex tape she made a few years ago she wouldn't like it if everyone called her a slut even thoagh she may have changed. People also tend to see Paris at a party and say "ONLY SLUTS GO TO A LOT OF PARTIES" just because you get drunk a few times there doesn't make you a slut.

[Khari]

.......bah>> shes still doin em

[sheik]

okay maybe if she is still doing it and even made a sequel to a porno tape she can still carry on a intelligent conversation with me. lol!


WHAT THE HECK AM I SAYING? OH NO! I GOT DISSED BY MY OWN LOGIC. I GOT NAIVE BECAUSE SHE WAS SO HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH NO! IT'S LIKE THE PERFECT "IN YO FACE!!!!!"

[Khari]

.......eh paris hilton's hot?O_o

[sheik]

she is wild and is a bad as- OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I GOT PWNED AGAIN BY MYSELF!!!!!!! IT IS LIKE THE SECOND PERFECT "IN YO FACE!!!" I AM THE NAIVE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOT FOOLED BY MY OWN LOGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LightDreamer]

I think...this is not a debate....on whether Paris Hilton is a slut or not...or whether or not she could substain an intelligent conversation with you...I think you should leave, yes I do.

Back to Flare, I never said that there aren't other ways of becoming famous, I'm just proving that females are just as competitive as guys are.

[flareofdragon]

Alright, I agree women are competitive as men.

I still stand by the men- focusing (task friendly) women (emotion friendly) concept.

[Khari]

we men wont live as long as women though *sigh*

[sheik]

You are a guy!?!?!?!?!?...........0.0



well I think men don't live as long because of their energy used up on organs. Men tend to do teh muscular work so it wears away on them.

[Dosu]

men die earlier because women drive them crazy and then they die of stress.....

[GAma_Oyabun]

men and women are both important. if there were only guys or vice versa the world would end very quickly, lots of people dying and no one having sex (unless...but u wouldnt produce anything if u no what imean)

[kuneria]

I know that guys and girls are equal and its kind of the guys fault girls are treated diferently because guys treat girls in this predigous kind of way cuz thats how they think they act and thats sometimes true but only 1 out of 10 girls I know acts that girly girl way on the outside the rest are just cruel-pound-face-in-concrete tom-girls like me
(i am a girl)

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen...

They're equal...there are no differences between men and women other then their bodies.

[UzumakiIchigo]

Kuneria, thank you for brining up a semi dead thread

[| | Hiro | |]

men die earlier because women drive them crazy and then they die of stress.....

Rofl. Sorry but that just made me laugh.

[DasBones_665]

you realize that this debate will go NOWHERE... how long have people debated about this? we are just going to keep going back and forth "TESTICALS RUL112" "WEMON KICK ARSH"... bout it

[kluang]

Women are driven by their heart. Men are driven by their brain.

Men: Brain-9 Heart-1

Women: Brain-1 Heart-9

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

Women are driven by their heart. Men are driven by their brain.

Men: Brain-9 Heart-1

Women: Brain-1 Heart-9
I don't have a brain or a heart...what am I driven by?

[kluang]

c'mon, you not driven by emo or thought.

[GaaraOfTheDeathSand]

Men and Women are equal. Women are can be as strong as a man and a man can be as smart as a woman. So they're the same.

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

c'mon, you not driven by emo or thought.

Nope...I'm driven by my being.

Men and Women are equal. Women are can be as strong as a man and a man can be as smart as a woman. So they're the same.

Thank You!!!!

[HarukoChan]

Men are smarter than Women. thats all. If you think being smart is better then Men are better than Women.

[| | Hiro | |]

Men and Women are equal. Women are can be as strong as a man and a man can be as smart as a woman. So they're the same.

Were equal in someway's. but not perfectly equal.
but women do have a slight advantage in some ways.

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

Men and Women are equal. Women are can be as strong as a man and a man can be as smart as a woman. So they're the same.

Were equal in someway's. but not perfectly equal.
but women do have a slight advantage in some ways.

And what advantage is that?

[| | Hiro | |]

Forbidden Things that cant be explained by words. >.<
Well there is a few but just dont know how to explain them.

[flareofdragon]

-_-

This came up again.

Women are physically weaker than men (well after puberty, because women's body gets osterio perosis and stuff when they get really old plus they don't, or its beneficial not to, get humongous amount of muscle to preserve fat). Thus society burdens them with less high stress tasks (obviously with exceptions), which also allows them to live longer. Also women are allowed, or even stressed, to take care of their body. This health concern allows them to live longer than men. I also think they are less intense in their focus, more like building (ever heard, you think like a guy?) than a jump.

Men on the other hand are strong. So they do the high stress jobs. Thus muscles are stressed because they need to do a lot of labor. These intense labor tires out the body faster, but they don't have great weakening of the body like women do when they are really old. Built more to jump from one point to the next, generally not as much building.

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

-_-

This came up again.

Women are physically weaker than men (well after puberty, because women's body gets osterio perosis and stuff when they get really old plus they don't, or its beneficial not to, get humongous amount of muscle to preserve fat). Thus society burdens them with less high stress tasks (obviously with exceptions), which also allows them to live longer. Also women are allowed, or even stressed, to take care of their body. This health concern allows them to live longer than men. I also think they are less intense in their focus, more like building (ever heard, you think like a guy?) than a jump.

Men on the other hand are strong. So they do the high stress jobs. Thus muscles are stressed because they need to do a lot of labor. These intense labor tires out the body faster, but they don't have great weakening of the body like women do when they are really old. Built more to jump from one point to the next, generally not as much building.

And that's it...other then physical differences...there are no difference between men and women.

[Narutobaka8623]

I'm not going to say one is better than the other, because you can't place everybody in the same grouping. Some men and women can be completely different than other men and women.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but childbearing is a very high stress job.

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

I'm not going to say one is better than the other, because you can't place everybody in the same grouping. Some men and women can be completely different than other men and women.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but childbearing is a very high stress job.

I think that's a womans only stressful job lol

[Narutobaka8623]

Ah, but you'd be wrong Izanagi. Can we look at it from two perspectives? Mine is that women have it harder simply because in society at large, women are "looked down at" more(the cheap clothing thread should be a good example), they give birth, which in some cases does not go very smoothly at all. Women also are in the majority of raising said children. And not to mention, the household things like laundry, cooking, cleaning, getting bills sent out. These can all just add tiny bits of stress onto an already full plate. And then you have to consider the different relationships as well. The ones with family, friends, coworkers, children(if have any), significant others. It can be very stressful for a woman.
And I'm sorry but having pap smears and mamograms will ALWAYS be stressful! hahaha

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

it was a joke sweety.

to be more serious about that though...in general society men have alot more problems and stress then women do...men are always forced to be a certain way...they can't be emotional, cry, show affection, have long hair. Men in society are looked at as tough and like they don't give a shit, but in actual fact most men are more emotional then most women...men are always being set to some kind of standard like they're the superior sex or something...I fucking hate that...because I'm a male I can't have long hair, I can't wear make up and I have to appeare without emotion...men in society are expected to do more then women in most cases...it's just bullshit...at this time men are more sexually discrimanated against then women are.

[Narutobaka8623]

I know you were joking! Because you'd said it pretty well earlier when saying that besides the physical differences between us we're pretty much equal. Yeah, it's really more of a mentally/emotionally difference that should be looked at I suppose. But even then, girls are supposed to be dainty and weak and always need to have that "damsel in distress" attitude(which is a total crock!), to justify the male's "knight in shining armor" one. Hi there, I'm a girl so I'm obviously weak and your a big strong male who will always be there to help me! GAG!!!
It really is up to everyone to break those illusions.
But still Paps and Mammos are really stressful in the full sense of the word! ;)

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

That's why I say Chivilry is dead my dear...that whole crock about a sex being a certain way is full of shit...mentally for the most part men and women are the same.

[Narutobaka8623]

Couldn't agree more. Though, unfortunately getting the rest of the world to understand that will be a daunting task at best!

[kluang]

Ok. the different:

1. The bodies is different

2. Women thinks, but they use emo in decision making. It's true.

3. Men thinks, but they use brain in decision making.

[Kekkei Genkai]

Really in my opinion and due to my experience, I wouldn't say that women are "better" but I would say that they can take care of themselves far more effectively. Also, organization is very different. Compare the apartment of a single man and the home of a single woman. Big difference usually. Also, women work much harder when they have to to survive. They are very hard workers. That's why you don't see very many female homeless people. Not just with humans, but look at ants. The workers are all females no questions asks. Look at the black widow spider. In the end, the female eventually eats her husband. With these skills of origanization, persistence, and their determination and endurance, women should boast about their superiority over men but nonetheless, men are far more dominant in their own way. Let's just say that women are the real workers and the men are just living off the fruits of their labors and the world goes around. Men just don't have the skill to live by themselves effectively. But, without men, women can't support themselves or have anyone to protect her so finally, both men and women need each other. The end.

[Mashed Potato]

is this thread actually serious?

[strawhatluffy]

What kind of sexist thread is this?
Also I don't agree with the people saying things like "men aren't very clever, and smoke alot". Those people mustn't know many men. Also I think they are both on the same level. They both have their weaknesses. But some women are better at sports than some men, and some men take care of themselves more than some women. Everyone in each gender is different.

[bigjohnstud]

Men are better. They are better at keeping secrets whereas women just blabber out anything u tell em to whoever they feel will keep that secret and the cycle of blabbing never stops. Besides throughout history its the man thats stood out of the pack.

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

Men are better. They are better at keeping secrets whereas women just blabber out anything u tell em to whoever they feel will keep that secret and the cycle of blabbing never stops. Besides throughout history its the man thats stood out of the pack.
The only reason that is, is because of religion and bullshit...almost every religion puts men above women...sorry, but I think that's just fucking ignorant, stupid and down right fucking moronic.

[slayer91]

each gender has its own specialties...men r stronger and athletic and woman are good with people.......men r better at maps,math and geomatry woman r better at reconising emotions....he list goes on and on........both genders are equal

[flareofdragon]

And that's it...other then physical differences...there are no difference between men and women.

Well there is a difference on how they think too. Its just not as prominent, but its there.

And by high stress job I meant jobs where your body has to do repetetive high energy needed tasks. Pregnancy, which is highly emotionally and physically stressfully, is required to not do this.

Just watch, if women become equal to men, as in there is 50% job ratio everywhere, they will have a lot shorter lifespan. I mean you can see the men's life span catching up.

[Linked]

Well I forget the exact specifications of this but woman have more connective tissue in their brains which means they have a more complex thought process on things such as puzzles, but men who have more grey matter are better at things like math and physics. If I have it backwards tell me, but I think I'm right.

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

FOD - the only thing that would be different mentally is the condition for the body...because they have different bodies they look at certain things another way...but as far as general thought prosess goes...men and women are the same.

Linked - I don't think I could believe something like that...I've yet to see hear or meet a person who has more complex thoughts then me, man or woman...that's not to say that there isn't someone out there who does have more complex thoughts then me.

[Linked]

It's on the basic level and it is true I just checked it is a fact for the majority of people. It just means that a man will get more math on a more basic level easier. I does not pre- determine ,however, what your good at in any way. It’s just a biological thing.

[Yondaime_YF]

physically women have bigger brains than than men but even in the present world men are far smarter ofcourse our ancestors were even smarter they had everything in their control we lost the control and set them free to turn all of them bitchy
the only thing wrong with us is we show that we want punany while they don't show they want a stick ride

right now if u go over every thing we some what worse off than women in some areas and better off in some areas

hell yeah i don't have to get pregnant

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

It's on the basic level and it is true I just checked it is a fact for the majority of people. It just means that a man will get more math on a more basic level easier. I does not pre- determine ,however, what your good at in any way. It’s just a biological thing.
Can I get a source to that information then?

physically women have bigger brains than than men but even in the present world men are far smarter ofcourse our ancestors were even smarter they had everything in their control we lost the control and set them free to turn all of them bitchy
the only thing wrong with us is we show that we want punany while they don't show they want a stick ride

right now if u go over every thing we some what worse off than women in some areas and better off in some areas

hell yeah i don't have to get pregnant
Where did you learn that women have bigger brains then men....prove this to me.

[Cerberus III]

Why are you guys debating about whether or not men are better than women and vice versa? Men & women should be partners that have mutualistic lifestyle. In other words, both should benefit from each other. In the Bible God said that a woman shall not be a the man's feet, nor at the man's head, but equal. This is why a man cannot be alone in this world. So, I believe that neither men nor women are better than the other, but in fact equal.

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

Why are you guys debating about whether or not men are better than women and vice versa? Men & women should be partners that have mutualistic lifestyle. In other words, both should benefit from each other. In the Bible God said that a woman shall not be a the man's feet, nor at the man's head, but equal. This is why a man cannot be alone in this world. So, I believe that neither men nor women are better than the other, but in fact equal.

Well thanks for stating the obvious...most of us believe that and have been saying that.

[kluang]

Ok. Women are influence by emotion in decision making. That's why they cannot be leaders. This is true.

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

Ok. Women are influence by emotion in decision making. That's why they cannot be leaders. This is true.That's only when they PMS...other then that women are just as capable of leading as any man.

[kluang]

What's PMS?

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

PMS = Pre-menstrual syndrome

[Narutobaka8623]

Why are you guys debating about whether or not men are better than women and vice versa? Men & women should be partners that have mutualistic lifestyle. In other words, both should benefit from each other. In the Bible God said that a woman shall not be a the man's feet, nor at the man's head, but equal. This is why a man cannot be alone in this world. So, I believe that neither men nor women are better than the other, but in fact equal.


But this is also from a person that believes all women are hoes for wearing revealing clothing. What happened to not judging, and not having women being "under your foot"?

[| | Hiro | |]

Men and Women are equal. Women are can be as strong as a man and a man can be as smart as a woman. So they're the same.

Those type of people chosed to be like that, and that has nothing to with being equal.

The only thing we actually have in common is our organs ( most of em )
but anything else is what you choose to be.

If you all going to compare what we have in common, do it right by stating what we "Naturally" have in common and not stating stuff like "A can be as strong as a man" or "A man can be as feminine" stuff like these arent something we naturally have in common.

This topic should get locked now, pointless in my view it is like were asking why were humans.

[xtrashock]

Being a man i always love to be women some time and same feeling with my wife who wants to be man but i cant understand all this ?

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

Why are we humans?

[carminamorbi]

If you pick a random man and woman from the street, both who are in decent shape, and have them go through a set of phsyical trials who do you think will come out on top? The man. Why? It all comes down to genetics. Women are not built the way men are, therefore they cannot do the same things that men can. Its a simple genetic truth.

Now I'm not saying that there arent women out there who aren't stronger than men. Hell, I know thats theres a shitload out there that canbenchpress me. But do you know why that is? Its because they have abnormally high levels of testosterone, the MALE sex horomone. Testosterone is whats responsible for muscle growth, its also responsible for secondary male characteristics like facial hair and deepening of the voice. Have you ever seen female weightlifters? If you have, you know that they lack a lot of female characteristics. But what they do have are smaller than average breasts, wide shoulders, deep voices and sometimes facial hair. Secondary male characteristics (obviously except for the breasts). If you dont believe in God, attribute it to evolution. Men are the hunters and women are the gatherers. However way you look at it, you come down with the same answer, men are generally physically superior to women. Ask your bio teacher about it.

And yes, I am saying that I'm physically superior to you. I'm a 18 year old man, and you're a 14 year old girl. Do we have to go any further?

Oh and btw, here a few olympic world records for sports ranging from weightlifting to archery. Wanna take a guess which gender has the best record in every category? Why not see for yourself.
http://www.olympic-usa.org/education/general_olympic_education/olympic_records.pdf


And without men, there would be no women. I really hope you're joking.




Technically, men are only physically superior to women in terms of percentages. X percent of men can lift *this* weight, and Y percent of women can lift that same weight. It is not *necessarily* true that a 14 year old girl is stronger than you; it is merely statistically unlikely.
Testosterone is not technically a "male" hormone. It is a human hormone, found in different quantities in both males and females. Though testosterone is correlated with increased physical strength, it also tends to spike hormonally; which has been correlated with irrationally violent behavior.
In the age of technology, where we have guns to replace muscles and spears, and security systems, and the technology to defend and hunt, the "male" function you speak of is practically useless.
On a side note, scientists have discovered a method of breeding mice without the interaction or use of any male .. products. That's right: the offspring which were produced were from two "mothers". The technology exists to completely eradicate the reproductive usages of male humans.
On the other hand, no technology as of yet exists to render females obsolete. It is not currently possible to grow a baby without a woman; we canot yet produce artificial eggs; and we are unable to artificially create a womb-like environment in which a fetus could develop.
If every male on the planet disappeared overnight, mankind would be able to continue and even flourish; we have sperm banks and the female-female breeding I mentioned. New males could be produced relatively quickly; but they wouldn't actually be necessary. However, if every woman on earth were to disappear, the result would be a chaotic race against time to advance science.
... True, men did defend us from predators in the ancient times, but we don't need them to do that any more.
Personally, I believe all genders should be treated equally, whether they are male, female, hermaphrodite, or genderless. We're all human beings.

[flareofdragon]

FOD - the only thing that would be different mentally is the condition for the body...because they have different bodies they look at certain things another way...but as far as general thought prosess goes...men and women are the same.

Thats a preconception. Girls and boys do have a different approach on things.

When you try to analyze things, a lot of times with meditation guru or w/e, they see the women's thought process as more of a building (river flow) rather than sparks or jumps which has been traditionally given to males. Now is that complete truth, no, I know it is not. But it is interesting that people who accept things as it is seems to think there is a difference on how those two think differently. I also have seen a difference, but maybe thats just society enforced. I know my ignorance, but do you understand your statement?

Sure equally. But what does that mean? The average woman cannot match an average man's strength, especially as they age. A man may not be needed for war, but you won't see a lot of women going into hard construction jobs.

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

The only reason why the sexes think differently is because of years and years of society forcing that on people...women are and think this way and men act and think this way...people just buy into that bullshit...it doesn't mean it's true.

[flareofdragon]

The only reason why the sexes think differently is because of years and years of society forcing that on people...women are and think this way and men act and think this way...people just buy into that bullshit...it doesn't mean it's true.

Duh. But we are talking about people who do not buy it but think about it. But I can tell you right now that men are more risky and aggressive in their thought process. It probably can be removed through teachings and stuff, but I think its important to note that it is there.

[Peralisc[TGS]]

The only reason why the sexes think differently is because of years and years of society forcing that on people..

I realy wanted to hear that. I child learns from his parents so it depends wich parent has more influence on the child. It dosn't matter who spends more time with the children or ... The influence that they parents have on the child,that's what builds a part of that childs character. Usualy it's because the child like one more then the other. You know a kid likes to take after someone he admires.

carminamorbi
Can we still call that the human race? :confused:
What do you think about following :
Lets say the human kind will build androids and that those androids will live in peace and harmony with the humans and behave like humans (maybe) , anyway they live for ever because their old or damaged parts can be exchanged with new ones so they have time to get smarter and ...
Well the point is that they will first learn from humans , learn from their succeses and failures and all their achievements. They will inherit our character. (that's what i belive) If things go that way,can we be happy and say that the human kind is saved? Or at least a part of it?
I don't see the point of puting my brain in a shell so i live for ever. I wont be a human. The same goes for what you said. It's more a perveted thought from someone who dreams about a world of lesbians. :D

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

Duh. But we are talking about people who do not buy it but think about it. But I can tell you right now that men are more risky and aggressive in their thought process. It probably can be removed through teachings and stuff, but I think its important to note that it is there.

lol...that's funny...obviously you don't know women that well...they are far more aggressive then men are.

[carminamorbi]

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carminamorbi
Can we still call that the human race? :confused:
What do you think about following :
Lets say the human kind will build androids and that those androids will live in peace and harmony with the humans and behave like humans (maybe) , anyway they live for ever because their old or damaged parts can be exchanged with new ones so they have time to get smarter and ...
Well the point is that they will first learn from humans , learn from their succeses and failures and all their achievements. They will inherit our character. (that's what i belive) If things go that way,can we be happy and say that the human kind is saved? Or at least a part of it?
I don't see the point of puting my brain in a shell so i live for ever. I wont be a human. The same goes for what you said. It's more a perveted thought from someone who dreams about a world of lesbians. :D

Well, genetically, yeah, it would still be a race of humans if the entire population of earth was female. Socially, politically, and spiritually, however, it would be very different from anything ever before seen on the planet.
The android question - the works of humankind would last forever, then! Which is the same way human artists achieve "immortality" - through their great works. Genetically - biologically - the human race would cease if we just left everything to the androids. Plus, there's the whole AI thing to deal with, whether or not it's possible, etc.
Technically.
XD! Lesbians are so metal. I know one. She is so badass.
I would miss guys, though. No matter how annoying they can be, they grow on you. Plus, they're cute! And they can do math. Yay for someone else doing the math! Yay for guys!

[flareofdragon]

lol...that's funny...obviously you don't know women that well...they are far more aggressive then men are.
Define your terms of aggressive. And explain how they are more aggressive. Because this is a new one for me, I would love to hear the explanation and broaden my viewpoint.

Because I know girls who will fight and who are frontal, but w/e lesse your explanation.

Also, I am basing this on the Y chromosome study. The more Y chromosomes you have, the more aggressive you are.

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

AGGRESSIVE:

1. characterized by or tending toward unprovoked offensives, attacks, invasions, or the like; militantly forward or menacing: aggressive acts against a neighboring country.
2. making an all-out effort to win or succeed; competitive: an aggressive basketball player.
3. vigorously energetic, esp. in the use of initiative and forcefulness: an aggressive salesperson.
4. boldly assertive and forward; pushy: an aggressive driver.
5. emphasizing maximum growth and capital gains over quality, security, and income: an aggressive mutual fund.
6. a. (of a disease or tumor) highly invasive and difficult or impossible to treat successfully.
b. pertaining to a risky surgery or treatment, or to a medication that has grave side effects: aggressive chemotherapy.

Notice the larger word....women are more competitive then men are...you can see this just by looking at the media...woman are mean to eachother for the most part....they always try to out do the other one by looking better due to their own low self-esteem ect ect.

Men also fight over stupid trivial shit, but their fights aren't in the limelight of the media...where as womens are...so alot of them make a bigger deal about their fights which inhence makes them more aggressive due to their competitive outlook on things.

[Miburo]

Technically, men are only physically superior to women in terms of percentages. X percent of men can lift *this* weight, and Y percent of women can lift that same weight. It is not *necessarily* true that a 14 year old girl is stronger than you; it is merely statistically unlikely.

Don't forget that you've got to compare things as fairly as possible. It isn't fair to compare a statistically weak male vs. a statistially strong female. When you compare the strongest male vs. strongest female then the male will win. Same if you compare the top 80 percent of men vs. top 80 percent of women, and so on.


Also, I am basing this on the Y chromosome study. The more Y chromosomes you have, the more aggressive you are.

Not saying your wrong, because I'll admit that my knowledge on the subject is limited, but how would someone have 'more' Y chromosomes in comparison to another person? You either have Ys or you don't, yeah?

I always thought that each cell contains either an XX or XY set of chromosomes. Are you referring to some genetic disorder, or just saying that those without a Y chromosome (females) are shown to be less agressive then those with them (males) and you just worded it wierdly?


Notice the larger word....women are more competitive then men are...you can see this just by looking at the media...woman are mean to eachother for the most part....they always try to out do the other one by looking better due to their own low self-esteem ect ect.

Men also fight over stupid trivial shit, but their fights aren't in the limelight of the media...where as womens are...so alot of them make a bigger deal about their fights which inhence makes them more aggressive due to their competitive outlook on things.

Er, you just showed that women are competitive, not that they're more competitive then men. And I'm not sure what the hell the second paragraph is trying to say...^^;

Tried to stay out of this topic due to the extreme stupidity of trying to debate which gender is overall 'better.' Just seem to be the topic of the moment, and I'm bored. >.<

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

The first and second part coinside with eachother, Miburo. If you don't understand one part of it then you won't understand why I said the other part.

[Miburo]

Izanagi, that's the thing. I don't understand why you said any part of that. Mainly because you didn't answer the question proposed by Flare at all, it didn't make much sense, and you completely failed to back up anything you said.

Could you give some specific examples that show women's competitiveness being in 'the limelight of the media' and tie that into your claim that they're more competitive then men? That's all I'm asking, justify what you fricken say with something half-way credible. That's all, man.

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

But I did...you seem to fail to see that, but if i have to dumb it down...very well.

If you notice alot of the things advertased in the media to a large percentage are targeted at women. Because alot of women are trying to be trendy and ontop of these things they always walking around fronting that they are top of the line compared to other people and other women even more so...the other women will tend to get very jealous and then they feel the need to get one up on the other woman who claim to be the top of the line...then they get very competitive about who is the most trendy and up to date(remember this can be anything...make-up, clothing, ect ect...just vain shit in general) this leads to an aggressive attitude about other women.

In society a greater deal of women show a vanity factor then men...it's just plain logic. Most men only get aggressive when it comes to the sense of some type of play...they don't usally bring an emotional factor into their aggressive behavour...which makes it a lesser extent then a females aggression.

With the smaller percentage of media that is pushed at men...men don't generally show aggression at one another for such things...and if they do it's on an extremely small scale.

If that hasn't proven my point then I have no other way to prove it...I just simply analyze the things I have witnessed and studied.

[Yondaime_YF]

i zanagi my bad i got the brain weight the other way around

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

It's all good Yondaime YF. Brain weight doesn't mean anything anyways.

[Miburo]

But I did...you seem to fail to see that, but if i have to dumb it down...very well.

No, you told me that I didn't understand something, then decided not to even bother explaining it more clearly. Also, there's no need for you to get condescending with me. Actually, you probably shouldn't get condescending with anyone to be quite honest. ; )

If you notice alot of the things advertased in the media to a large percentage are targeted at women. Because alot of women are trying to be trendy and ontop of these things they always walking around fronting that they are top of the line compared to other people and other women even more so...the other women will tend to get very jealous and then they feel the need to get one up on the other woman who claim to be the top of the line...then they get very competitive about who is the most trendy and up to date(remember this can be anything...make-up, clothing, ect ect...just vain shit in general) this leads to an aggressive attitude about other women.

Ok, media tends to target women with advertisements about 'trendy clothing' and other things involving fashion. That's all you said about media, and it didn't prove a damn thing showing the competitiveness of women or women being more competitive then men. Advertising fashionable things to women isn't anywhere near the same as 'their fights being the limelight of media' as you originally claimed. That's why I asked.

Then you make the claim that women that are into fashion are all trying to one-up each other due to jealously. If that's not a unjustifiable generalization, then I don't know what is. Or are you basing this off some statistic you've got or something? Do you really think that all women who buy fashionable clothing are doing it to "one up" each other, and that there's not tons of other completely viable reasons? Like perhaps they enjoy following the trends or they believe that type of clothing actually looks nice? Come on, dude, that's silly as all hell.

In society a greater deal of women show a vanity factor then men...it's just plain logic. Most men only get aggressive when it comes to the sense of some type of play...they don't usally bring an emotional factor into their aggressive behavour...which makes it a lesser extent then a females aggression.

Being more concerned about one's appearance =/= being aggressive. Don't know where you're getting that logic. But how would competing in a fashion show be more agressive than competing in a football game? More emotion? What? Ever been to a football game? You've got fans, coaches, and players flipping out when there's a bad call, crying when they lose, and jumping for joy when they win a big game. I've never see that on a televised fashion show, not that I've actually bothered to watch one for more than 4 seconds unless it's a string bikini contest or something. ^.^;;;

With the smaller percentage of media that is pushed at men...men don't generally show aggression at one another for such things...and if they do it's on an extremely small scale.

Again, you've never seen a riot break out from a soccer game? I'd say that's a pretty agressive responce from something shown on TV. And sports aren't something that targets a predominately female audience.

If that hasn't proven my point then I have no other way to prove it...I just simply analyze the things I have witnessed and studied.

That's too bad. ; ;

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

As I said Miburo...most women...not all women.

and these statistics come from the reserch I've actually done by talking to people.

One of my hobbies it to go out onto the streets and do polls...I gather mass amounts of knowledge and opinion just by asking people simple questions.

As for the not being condescending to anyone part is your opinion...a rather irrelevant one, but you have the right to speak it.

[LightDreamer]

But I did...you seem to fail to see that, but if i have to dumb it down...very well.

If you notice alot of the things advertased in the media to a large percentage are targeted at women. Because alot of women are trying to be trendy and ontop of these things they always walking around fronting that they are top of the line compared to other people and other women even more so...the other women will tend to get very jealous and then they feel the need to get one up on the other woman who claim to be the top of the line...then they get very competitive about who is the most trendy and up to date(remember this can be anything...make-up, clothing, ect ect...just vain shit in general) this leads to an aggressive attitude about other women.

Okay first off, your arguement makes me really angry. Secondly, this is really a waste of time, cause Miburo has pretty much shot every one of your 'arguements' to hell. I pretty much just want to say, wtf, where do you come off thinking you know what goes on in the minds of women? Were you, or have you ever been a women? No? Then where the fuck are you getting this so called information from? Just because these are your own personal views doesn't make them facts. And you cannot base every single girl alive as the same person, it just doesn't work and you WILL get A LOT of very smart sensible girls ANGRY at you.

Do you think I care about being on "top of the line?" Or do you think I watch out for who's becoming trendier then who? No! And there are MANY more girls like me! In fact, there are millions upon possible billions of other girls like me. Do you know what i wore to school today? A long sleeved shirt that said "MarkhamMusic Since 1954" do you know this brand? Well I don't think so, because it is NOT a brand, it is in fact a shirt the school paid for someone else to manufacture, and then I bought it because I have school pride. It's not fashionable in any way. Oh and I wore jeans. And do you know why I wore these today? Because I KNEW and I thought this through, that I had to spend 2 hours at school at night in my school band, where it's freezing and I'm holding a metal instrument. I WORE it because I knew it would keep me warm. Now take my stand partner, Do you know what she wore? She wore a mini-skirt that didn't come down much further then where her underwear ended. How dare you catergorize her with me. And do you know what makeup I wore? Oh shucks, I didn't wear any, just like every other day. You do not have the statistics or the divine knowledge or the Right to say that all women are vain and all men are not, because that's just not true.

I have NEVER felt jealous of these hoe bags, and I doubt they've ever been jealous of me, unless it was because my IQ was higher than that of peanut butter. And when I grow up and become a "women" I will not look for expensive clothes that will barely cover my body, I will wear NICE clothes, because I want ppl to look at me as someone they could respect, BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE between Designer clothes to 'Up' each other and Designer clothes too look nice.

That's pretty much all I feel I need to say because Miburo pretty much countered everything else.

EDIT: God I take too long to post -.-'' Most women? Oh and how did you decide this? Did you just stand there watching women count by and note them down on a piece of paper, or are you just assuming. ASSUUMING as in making an ASS of U and ME. Well you're soo not allowed to make that generalization on women in a debate like this, especially not on a whim -.-

Oh and who do you ask exactly? The women walking into designer clothes stores? Other "dudes" [because we ALL know that somehow you've proven that GUYS have special insight into girls minds (sarcasm)] Why not go ask a female university professor or something. A female who's REALLY accomplished something. Or better yet, Go find a bussiness women a lawyer even who wears all the makeup and the nice suits and has the leather briefcase, why she has these. Do you think she'll tell you it's so the other lawyers will be jealous of her sweet digs? Well, I DON'T THINK SO.

[Miburo]

As I said Miburo...most women...not all women.

As Lightdreamer said, how can you say what most women think? Oh, wait, here it is:

and these statistics come from the reserch I've actually done by talking to people.

One of my hobbies it to go out onto the streets and do polls...I gather mass amounts of knowledge and opinion just by asking people simple questions.

So, you go out and poll MOST women, I see. Makes sense, because I'm sure you're getting a good, varied sample when you go out on the streets and randomly poll women about their core motives for buying trendy clothing. Just as I'm sure you actually spend your free time polling a large sample of women regarding this very topic. Very compelling evidence there.

How about this: I went out and polled most women and they said you're lying. What now? See where I'm going with this? So.....have any CREDIBLE evidence to back your lofty claims?

As for the not being condescending to anyone part is your opinion...a rather irrelevant one, but you have the right to speak it.

Thanks, I wasn't sure if that was my opinion or not. Good thing you cleared that up for me. It's not like the fact that I'm the one who stated it would have tipped me off or anything. Way to point that out, champ! *thumbs up*

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

Indeed....anyways...I've got nothing to prove obviously...if this were a case where you were right infront of me then I could prove myself, but in this current state we are standing in a large amount of space and can't even hear or see eachother...so as far as you go...you have extremely high standards and at this point of the conversation...both what you ask and what I say are pointless and irrelavent.

Oh...and for the record...Lightdreamer...your opinion towards me only falls to a deaf ear...since you are already convinced about who I am...what you have to say to me is just you bitching to let off steam from your pathetic little life...shoo now fly...I have nothing more to say to the likes of you.

[Miburo]

Indeed....anyways...I've got nothing to prove obviously...if this were a case where you were right infront of me then I could prove myself, but in this current state we are standing in a large amount of space and can't even hear or see eachother...so as far as you go...you have extremely high standards and at this point of the conversation...both what you ask and what I say are pointless and irrelavent

I don't see the difference it would make in having a face-to-face discussion vs. you just typing whatever you'd say face-to-face here.

Believe me, my standards are anything but high. I'm simply asking for some credible evidence that supports your outlandish claims. I wouldn't even do that if what you were saying wasn't so logically flawed. I'm really not asking for much here, man. Being able to back up what you say shouldn't be a difficult task if what you're saying isn't totally wrong, afterall. ^^

Edit: And I don't see the point of being a douche to LD. She made a pretty valid argument, and you just ignore her because she obviously thinks you're not so bright (Which would be an entirely justifiable opinion too). I don't see the point in you even posting if you're going to just ignore any logical or intelligent counter-argument. Seriously, learn to debate if you're going to post in the debate section for Christ's sakes.

[Izanagi_Takeshiro]

But how can someone prove what they see and hear when no one is around to prove it to.

That's like asking if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it...does it make a noise? well of course it does, but no one is there to varify that sound anyway...so what I say can't be proven in a simple manner as explaining myself...I only speak of things I have witnessed...that's enough crediblity for me, but that isn't enough for other people...so I'm at a loss here...all I can do is say I know what I know to be true and then shut my mouth...because in full honesty...I can't give you exactly what you want.

[flareofdragon]

Not saying your wrong, because I'll admit that my knowledge on the subject is limited, but how would someone have 'more' Y chromosomes in comparison to another person? You either have Ys or you don't, yeah?

I always thought that each cell contains either an XX or XY set of chromosomes. Are you referring to some genetic disorder, or just saying that those without a Y chromosome (females) are shown to be less agressive then those with them (males) and you just worded it wierdly?

Well this study was done on jails. The study found that peope who served jailtime or was in jail held more Y chromosome then the average person. Some of them held 3 or 4. lol, this came from a college level biology teacher so I am pretty sure it is right.


And I will admit to Izanagi_Takeshiro that the media does portray female as more looks driven than men, yet since you based your reasoning on this, I can portray as a hypocrite. You are not thinking, you are just making broad generalizations about what others want you to think. Think about the insecurity of a smaller size erection, the insecurity of small size (body wise), the insecurity of not getting enough girls. Men are just as shallow as women. But yeah, maybe the mainstream is more concerned with their looks, what does this have to do with aggressiveness?

Being aggressiveness in business means you do not worry about wins and losses but pursue your course vigilantly. Being aggressive in a fight means you are attacking repeatedly and rapidly even on the slightest opening. These both portray the competition as insignificant, which is different than that of being competetive. I am not saying that aggressiveness has to go through my definition, but what you are saying means that they wanna be on the top of the fashion which really is kinda different as these girls have to worry about what others think.

Yes girls are aggressive, look at middle school. I did not deny that girls were aggressive, I just said that men are more aggressive than women. Which I defended by stating that the more y chromosomes you have, the more aggressive you are. And the average male has more y chromosomes than the average female.

And then in your last post Izanagi_Takeshiro, you stated a world wide wisdom. But in fact you are a hypocrite then again, how dare you try to insult my knowledge of humanity and ask for proof when you yourself cannot defend your position?

[xtrashock]

may be yesterday or day before i do post here to change sex with each other .It means some men wanna be women and women wanna be men .so is there any people like these so i am planning to have some thought community regarding this .

[demonchildXX]

hmm...well...i can't exactly say..'cuz i'm not anyone's side but mine...but i guess...they're both equal...men and women are both the same...to me..there is no "who's better and who's not"...it's just "they're equal"...>_>

[9fenix9]

we are all equal.....Women have their pros and cons, so do guys. This is my opinion. Men cannot understand women and viceversa because we were made that way with the left brain right brain ying yang thing

[| | Hiro | |]

we are all equal.....Women have their pros and cons, so do guys. This is my opinion. Men cannot understand women and viceversa because we were made that way with the left brain right brain ying yang thing

Thats got nothing to do with being equal.

[jasongotti]

why would you even make a topic about that men and women should be qual and have the same rights i'm not sure if they do have the same rights but as job pay i dont think they do men and women are the same both genre is human so why bother with all this sexes stuff

[White Lotus]

men technically are superior in some forms vs women, but in other forms women are the superiors

[skwee]

men are better even if we are still late on the concept of fire being intresting

[flareofdragon]

men and women are the same
No they are not. To put it simply, women get pregnant.

They are not even equal in this respect. Women have much more of a burden carrying that baby.

[jasongotti]

No they are not. To put it simply, women get pregnant.

They are not even equal in this respect. Women have much more of a burden carrying that baby.

i all ready know only women get pregnant how could i not no lol

[YoshiToshi]

I don't believe that men and women are equal.
I don't believe one is better than the other.
One is better at some things than the other. It's just common sense.

"Jack can be a better basketball player than Jill, but Jill is smarter than Jack"
Same philosophy.

Men are most likely to be stronger than women, and they have the ability to sit up while peeing.

Women can carry babies, and the average jane is probably smarter than the average joe.

It's all in a perspective/opinion. Although some men might believe that they are better than women, they might be wrong, they might be correct. It is all based upon how you see things.

[flareofdragon]

i all ready know only women get pregnant how could i not no lol

Then don't say men and women are the same. This shows that your reasoning, which is quite hard to decipher with the lack of capital letters and paragraphs, is faulty and that you are only stating things that others have stated partially or completely.

[Dieren]

Men and Women are the same mentaly (not sure if spelled right) but yes we all understand that biologicaly (yes i suck at spelling but you get it) Men and Women are different and thats impossible to change am seeing more and more articles come up on magizanes that state this. Though you must relize that most jobs or other things of the modern world require people that are smart. So in that factor id say Men and Women are the same.

[jutsuking123]

Women are smarter
Men are stronger

[blazin yukasho]

the fact is that everybody is different, and it all depends on you to how you want to be.
men may statistcally be stronger than women on average, but then the women could work out and become strong, women may statistically be smarter than men on average, but then men can just study and get smarter.
thats how i persieve things anyhow :)

[Jinchuuriki16]

Hell.. men women.. it dosent matter nowadays.. so much ppl of different genders are trying so hard to be their opposites..know what i mean? Well.. i a soon to be man.. we all are men.. but scientist.. they say women are gonna overpopulate men in the future.. Maybe its not always the Bi s and the tri s..

[kakashi sensai]

maen and woman aremthe same women are good at things the male minds cant do, but us men have things we can accomplish physicaly and mentaly
man but i hate those faggit football players with their leg shaving and ect. eywwwwwwww. gross faggits its just not right

hoooooothoooooooooot

[ChojiMullet]

My collage used to be a all womans university now there is 8% men, and I even had to take woman studies to satisfy one of my schools core requirements. With that said I am a strong beliver that we let politcal correctness get in our way. Their are differances between men and I think they should be resurched to the betterment of society. Look at fire fighters in some cities they are weaking standers substacaly just to meat a quota number of woman. I think we are to obsesed with number and it just does not matter. I don't care if I get pulled out of a fire by a woman, I just wnat to be pulled out of the fire. I think that it should be based on what we are skilled for. If 80% of women are finacial exec that is cool with me if that is what they are skilled about. I think we have gone past opening up oppertunities to giving free passes.

[DarkAztek]

I'm not sure what this thread is other than blatant machoism from a lot of guys...

Choji: Oh boo hoo, a women's studies course. How dreadful. It's not like you chose to go there or to a liberal arts college in general. Oh wait. You did. Well, at least it isn't like that at all other liberal arts colleges. Oh wait. It is.

Why do women have weaker standards to become a firefighter? Because they physically do not have to carry the same amount of weight. Their outfits are lighter just by design and, believe it or not, they actually ARE physically weaker than men by their very physical design. I have a lot of family members who are firefighters. Trust me when I say that even really strong men have trouble lifting some other person in a burning building... And they require help just as much. (Also, please note that even though the women's standards are lower, it isn't by that much... And the women firefighters I know normally reach the standards set for males too.)

Free passes? At times in certain situations. Certainly. But hell, political correctness only affects you if you let it.

But women still DO have it much harder compared to men. Look up something called the glass ceiling. Furthuremore, look up exactly how many cents a woman makes for every dollar a man makes.

[ChojiMullet]

That was not what I was trying to say at all. I am not regreating the class I was just giving my background. I love my collage and all the classes that I have taken, and all the classes that I have. It is accualy not a liberal arts collage at all it infacis is medical and education. Those are just three of the school mandated core. I was not trying to be complaining.

Belive me I think that woman are capible of doing any job and should have the opertunity to my problem is not their job my problem is the quota system in big cities like Chicago the standerds have been dropped an men have been turned away just becaus they cant hire a man. I think that is not approprate. I know woman firefighters work hard and do a good job on the force and it is not there fault for changing standerds. My issue is that some time things that build equality actualy break systems that are not needed. I think we should resurch and imbrace our differances. This can help us teach and train people better as long as we do not close of training do to gender.

Like title 9 is a great idea to make the collage system more fair where female sports are given fair shot. I am the biggest suporter of our schools athletics which is all female. My issue is when it is carried to far. In Arozona they built a man made lake and started a female rowing team and give scolerships and put on them no rowing experance required. That to me is not the purpose of the law. There a plenty of strong female athletes out there that they should not waste money on programs like that, instead the should build up existing programs or offer more assistance to those girls, and not due thing just to spend money.

Edit: I deffenatly think it is a problem that women are paid less and that there deffinatly are still glass celings. Our VP of Fincial was one of the first woman and when I talked to her she said that it is getting better due to her and others work, but it is still a uphill slope. It is hard because our whold system of payrole is set to keep people uninformed what they deserve as pay. And their is even hate with in gender. A book was written that was attacking stay at home wives that they made a wrong decision, which to me does not help the siguation because choice goes both ways. I do not know the answer to make the finacial system more equatible.

[ShikamaruShadows]

Men and Wemen are equal in many ways. Heck, the best football throwers in my class are girls. Including me. :)

[kaino]

I say woman since im a man(boy)

[| | Hiro | |]

the best football throwers in my class are girls. Including me. :)

Whats that got to do with men or being equal?

[ChojiMullet]

I think we are equal physicaly but not the same. As a rule men are more physicaly strong due to bulky muscle, but women or more tone and limber. This allows them more flexibility and much greater stamina. I would not say one is better, because even if you look at our anatomical structure both have pros and cons.

Granted there are exeptions to every thing I said.

[D4rKR34v3r]

touchy subuject. Indeed women and men are different, but we are equal. We have different people in different genders. Like we may have 1 male that has bbetter style, or 1 female that is faster or something. We are equal. We have different abilities which can change. We judge abilities on the majority of males or female when we could have just 1 male or female beter than the a whole gender

[Kekkei Genkai]

Indeed. Both are needed for reproduction so one cannot live without the other. Yet, throughout history, it has been mostly men who have made the dramatic changes. Mainly because of strength. Women do not have as much strength as men so when an argument like this comes up, then male sexists usually make it in their favor by force. But women are much brighter and more observant than men.

[Gerbil Skipper]

Men and women are equal but i wish women wouldnt have so much problems like me sheesh its a hell hole and men should be much less perverted so theres my opinion
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