VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

[Konnaha_yellow_flash]

Im not sure if minato could use bushins or not because it was never shown or said so IDK.

The more I think about it because the fact that minato has to take the time to throw a kunai to perform the FTG which is just a split second, rai could already be within striking distance depending on his distance from the start of the fight.

We have to remember although minato can move at the speed of light, before and after her reappears hes still not capable of following rais movements or able to keep up with them. So, just as likly as minato is to adapt to rais movements the same goes for rai adapting to his pre and post FTG movements and timing them then either blitzing minato right before or just as he appears using super reflexes to react almost instantaneously which makes this more difficult to judge not paying attention to hype and by what little we know minato can do.

If minato is skilled with KBs like naruto then yea he would win, but if not Im not sure because just the FTG, rasengan and bunta isnt going to beat rai when rais fast enough to react and dodge the FTG, rasengan wont do much damage and bunta would die a painful death if he stepped in.

And the shiki fuujin jutsu wont work because u have to grab a hlod of ur opponent, but rais covered in raiton so that cant happen because as far as I know Lightning burns at higher temperatures then the surface of the sun lol.

I know minato could still probably win without bushins, but theres still that chance rai cant time minatos reappearence then use his super refelexes and speed to blitz minato just as he appears which would be one hit one kill.

IDK!!!

[platinumrug]

Rasengan would be total rape if it could be fired off like Yusuke's spirit gun. Total annihilation of the opponent.

[The Special One]

Minatos fast, Madaras SG was still able to track him so hes not as fast as the raikage at full speed using shushin. The FTG is just summoning yourself to where the blood seal is so its just like amaterasu which Ignites where the user is looking so its instanious as well as the FTG.

Minato uses body flicker though, I don't think it should be able to track him if he's using body flicker to mask his movements. From Kakashi Gaiden, it wasn't made apparent if he uses his foot speed without the chakra stimulating his physical reflexes (that's what body flicker probably his). Minato must might body flicker all the time. I think Amaterasu is near instant. The Shinobi can see Amaterasu spring from the sharingan's eye and pursue. As in the case where Itachi used it on Sasuke, Sasuke ran quite aways before Amaterasu actually caught him.

FTG summons Minato at that mark so instantly that he flickers out of the picture and appears wherever that mark is, it has it's psychological effects too. Where as Amaterasu leaves a trail, FTG dosen't because it is a space-time transfer, so Minato goes inbetween dimensions to appear at the location in which he is summoned.

Raikage reacted to an instantaneous attack already (amaterasu) and dodged it. So its going to be the same for the FTG as well unless minato overwhelms rai with too much movement and KBs as well, bu he never showed the ability to use use KBs.

Amaterasu is near instant, as a faster shinobi can run before it inevitablly catches them. But Amaterasu was fired at Raikage's front, so he saw the attack anyway. I'm saying Minato would toss Kunai that are marked at him (this will cause him to avoid obvious) however, where they land, or what Marks Minato decide to reverse summon him self too, may be from the side, or from the rear of Raikage. All of which are attacks that Raikage probably wouldn't expect (because he seemingly avoided normal Kunai).

And Minato probably doesn't have the chakra for that many shadow clones, but he doesn't need it anyway. He has multiple Kunai he can throw that can be marked (or he can mark areas of interest). By throwing a few marked projectiles, he will indefinitely catch the Raikage off guard. Even if Raikage is naturally faster than Minato, if Minato attacked Raikage in a way he couldn't predict, plus if Minato uses his own body flicker (to increase his striking speed), he very well will catch Raikage off guard.

Minatos not going to be able to track rai movements so he too is at a disadvantage which makes the fight even more difficult. ANd even though I have no proof I would Imagine minato has some kind of seal jutsu for fast untrackable opponents since hes a seal master.

Minato was never known to be a tracking type, but it's not really needed in this case. As long as he has marked projectiles, he can avoid the Raikage's attacks and manage to catch him.

Could minato form a rasengan and teleport it with him using FTG? Because that's the only way that would work. It takes at least a second to form rasengan and raikage isn't going to sit there and let himself get hit. I don't think rasengan has a chance of piercing Raiton armor anyway, because it isn't designed as a piercing attack. Even if it did work, Raiton armor would absorb most of the attack leaving minimal damage. After a couple of hits Raikage's going to figure out the attack and learn to completely avoid Minato's kunai knife. To be fair though, that doesn't really help him. Minato could fake a FTG to throw him off guard and open him up for a different move.

Yeah, some things of how the FTG works is kind of undiscovered. We don't know if he makes handseals or, not to ignite the summoning. (Maybe he could do it when he goes inbetween time and space.) But that doesn't seem like he'd have enough time for that. Maybe as soon as he activates his chakra, he teleports to the rite. So if he uses body flicker (which uses chakra to increase the physical reflexes of a shinobi), maybe that is enough for the rite to pick up the signal and instantly summon there. So maybe forming Rasengan might do the trick, I don't know.

But Rasegan would be the only thing to work because those Kunai aren't going to pierce Raiton Armor and to our knowledge, we don't know of Minato's elemental ninjutsu. So Rasengan is our only bet for now.

Didn't kakashi say a long time ago that their are 8 or 10 (can't remember) critical spots that shinobi learn to aim for. The head, heart, jugular, etc. It looked like sasuke was aiming for the heart. If he had peirced him a few more inches Raikage would have been in serious trouble. Even is sasuke missed the heart, he could have collapsed a lung or cut the aorta, both would have been critical.

But Raikage was in his Raiton Armor anyway you look at it. Also, Raikage's body was built like an ox's, his muscle tissue would shield him from Sasuke's chidori attack on the lot of his body. A face or, nect shot is the only option in taking down the Raikage. Though the plot saved Raikage as it saved Sasuke as well. Sasuke shouldn't have been able to avoid Raikage's eblow (which moves at speeds above the sharingan's capturing capabilities), while Sasuke attacking his left chest. Yes, Sasuke went for a vital, but look at the Raikage's body, and at that armor, that attack to kill just seemed silly.

Minato would have to Rasengan Raikage's neck or, head. That's the only way.

[Vengeance]

People are actually debating Raikage vs. Minato? Raikage is overated because of his raiton armor while Minato is overated because he never fought. Really though what does Raikage have on FTG & Rasengan combination? People do know that Rasengan causes internal damage & has more destructive force when compared to Chirodi which only pierces right? FTG & Rasengan are enough for the win here as Raikage is stupid while he also isn't as fast as some claim him to be. Minato's Shushin was actually quite fast this was shown in Kakashi gaiden when he saved Kakashi. Yet people want to assume Raikage is faster than his shushin why exactly? I just don't see it that way what Raikage's reflexes is compared to is Minato's shushin not his FTG. Highspeed movement & space/time(or teleportation depending on what you want to call it) are two completely different things.

[Myth]

Minato is god in speed I've already proved this to a certain someone by providing manga panels.. The raikage 's speed was never even comapred to Minato's fucking dumbass newbs need to learn to read...

SPEED= RATE OF MOTION
REFLEX SPEED = REACTION TIME

So bascially if i tried to throw a punch its how quick your body would react in order to dodge.. THAT REFLEX SPEED..
Speed, is how fast you get from point A TO POINT B...

All minato would need to do is tap the raiakge and he's fucked cause from there on its all SPEED OF LIGHT MOVEMENT... Last I checked nobody can keep up with that.. NOT EVEN MADARA SINCE HIS T/S JUTSU fails in combat compared to minato's.. No i won't explain this because you'd have to be an idiot not to understand what I mean. I know TSO knows exactly what I mean..

EDIT: Kyf nobody can dodge FTG its speed of light movement in order to dodge it you'd need to move at the speed of light as well... Im hoping you made a mistake because if you actually meant that then WOFUCKINGOW.

[TheJkid]

Now I might very well be wrong, but I am pretty sure Minato's speed is based of a time/space jutsu Its his speed added into a jutsu, There isn't very just cause to say who would win in the battle but, Knowing what we know Raikage would lost becuase Of how fast minato is plus his time space jutsu. Riakage couldn't dodge it in time, Riakage is good with speed in strength, I don't think he has much intellect to seriously fight Minato.

There is to many if's when it comes to Riakage winning I've Logically have to agree with the minato being a better choice.

[Myth]

This thread became so gay i can't even come in and debate normally cause its a bunch of retards posting non cannon bullshit assumptions/theories and they can't read a simple line in the manga...

Shrike
Vengeance
TSO
Plat
Dagoro

the only normal posters left, and some newbs are ok BUT BARELY...

deidara vs kakashi same place where sasuke fought with dei.

[Konnaha_yellow_flash]

Good god myth and veng, theres sometimes I swear ur the same person lol.

Anyways, Minato has great speed like sasuke and itachi, but not raikage lmao! Raikages reflexes at base were compared to minatos, but were said to be taken even further by the raiton armor so dont BS myth because minato needs a T/S jutsu to move instantaneously, meanwhile rais shushin in spuer mode is instantameous as stated by the mangahttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page014.html

Lol, because his speed is instantaneous, able to avoid amaterasu which ignites where the user is focusing so basicly it appears like a summoning and because not even two SG eyes can track the movements which cant be said for minatos attacks because he said madara saw threw everything he did so obviousy minato couldnt land a attack on someone with one SG meaning the movements could still be seen otherwise madara wouldve tagged with a seal and killed.

Also Veng, rasengan has more destructive power yet it couldnt destroy chidori so obviously if chidori couldnt pierce the raiton shield that far then the rasengan wont even get threw, just spin rai like a dradle lol.

Although Im sure minato could win, it would still be a close battle because of aris reflexes and speed that would make a FTG attack combo hard to land. ANd even if it did it wouldnt hurt rai, but just Knock him around while his armor protects against the destructive force.

[TheJkid]

Deidara hands down, The c-4 explosives is what would do kakashi in the micro sized bombs would end up killing him because from what we have seen kakashi doesn't have a full body lightning jutsu.

Kakashi also couldn't copy deidara's abilities because I believe there are a bloodline trait!.
Kakashi's ms ability is not focused enough to locate a killing spot on dei ethier.

However to give kakashi a hands up, He knows over 1000 jutsu he has copied.
And with kakashi's intelligence it would be a weird match to see .
Dei is to rash and impulsive to actually put up a good fight with kakashi if it came down to it he would use his c-4 and kakashi loses.

[Myth]

wOW kyf YOU FUCKING FAIL...

[Konnaha_yellow_flash]

Originally Posted by Myth

wOW kyf YOU FUCKING FAIL...

W/e dude, Im not the one that fans minato to a rediculous level even though hes my favorite character. As I said a million times to u, U can believe 2+2=chicken for all I care, the problem is that u actaully believe it so that makes it true I guess, lol.

Anyways, Kakashi vs Deidara?

Deidara already knows about kakashis MS jutsu so hes going to keep his distance which will mean kakashis going to have to use that great startegising he does. So, by using KBs, the SG, raikiri and erath syle with a great strategy I think kakashi could actually beat deidara.

However, if deidara can keep his distance and overwhelm kakashi with constant C2 and C3 attacks till kakashi is worn down he could beat kakashi.

[Vengeance]

1. I don't even like Minato. I'm not fanning him I'm giving my opinion based on the facts we do have on both characters which isn't much at all. Minato shouldn't even be used in debates because he never fucking fought anyone.

2. Myth & myself have disagreed on tons of shit in the past yet people have recently been saying that I ether kiss his arse or we are the same person? Really now people can't agree once & while without one of them being an arse kisser?

3. I'm not even going to bother responding to the above mentioned crap in regards to this so called debate on two overrated characters. One was defeated by an overconfident 16 year old who was able to keep track of him(Sasuke dodged his first attack, was able & turn his head to set up an Amaterasu counter, & was able to prepare Amaterasu spikes BEFORE Raikage was able to pull off his leg drop) while the other never actually fought anyone but can use space/time & has a jutsu that does this to a persons insides. Think what you want I honestly don't give a shit.

Edit

Originally Posted by Myth

deidara vs kakashi same place where sasuke fought with dei.

With 3 tomoe sharingan Kakashi's eye should be able to "give color to chakra". Yes Diedara would know of Kakashi's dojutsu however the same can be said about Diedara's attacks as well. Diedara would ideally start on the ground in somewhat close proximity to Kakashi. Kakashi's Raiton wolf could be used to prevent Diedara from flying off the ground. Diedara's clay bombs take time to form time Kakashi wouldn't give Diedara. Kakashi wins this as Diedara's tecs are weak against Raiton, Kakashi can dodge attacks using doton travel, block with doton walls or double handed Chidori's, & Diedara can't do anything against Kamui other than try to run(Kakashi still managed to tag Diedara from a great distance while he was running).

[platinumrug]

Raichu wasn't beaten though, the fight was merely interrupted. I mean unless Raichu is dead as shit on the ground he wasn't defeated, lol. But it doesn't really matter to me, Raichu isn't as fast as Minato, and Minato has been dead for nearly 16 years in manga time, why does everyone compare his skills to people now? Crazy.

[Vengeance]

Originally Posted by platinumrug

Raichu wasn't beaten though, the fight was merely interrupted. I mean unless Raichu is dead as shit on the ground he wasn't defeated, lol. But it doesn't really matter to me, Raichu isn't as fast as Minato, and Minato has been dead for nearly 16 years in manga time, why does everyone compare his skills to people now? Crazy.

Raichu would have burned to death because of the Amaterasu while Sasuke was still being protected by Susano'o. Raichu's leg would have caught fire & raise up to the rest of his body as heat travels upward. What's Raichu going to do at that point stop,drop, & roll with a flame that burns for 7 days & nights? Really now Gaara saved Raichu's life no matter how you look at it. Raichu would ether burn to death or die of blood lose which ever came first.

[poolangya]

i think raichu actually intends to end the battle with the leg drop. maybe thinking that the amaterasu flames will disappear when the caster is dead or unconscious. but yeah,technically he was saved by gaara from his hotheadedness.

deidara vs kakashi

When deidara flies.kakashi's chances of winning got all time low. it's either he win or they both die.

kakashi's hope is that he can kamui deidara when airborne. c4 might not work because he has sharingan,and possibly he has a lightning counter to it. and he has that protective mask of course. taijutsu wise they are comparable,deidara might even be superior based on what he've shown agains team gai. overall deidara has more destructive power, and unless kakashi can counter every clay attack deidei has,he dies.deidara 6-4 kakashi. deidara wins.