VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

[Konnaha_yellow_flash]

Originally Posted by The Special One

Amaterasu chases the opponent if he, or she has the opportunity to run (before it eventually catches up). It's not instant, it is near instant. In close range the opponent is likely to get tourched immediate however, from further distances, you at least have time to evade before it hits (though it is still going to track regardless unless the shinobi moves at speeds beyond the sharingan's capturing abilities).

What was Sasuke doing when he was facing off against Gaara and the sand jounin? He wasn't just playing around with black flames (it's obviously abundances of chakra be expelled). Before the Amaterasu got to Gaara and his cohorts, he dawned the Sand to quickly shield the flames.

1. As I said amaterasu Ignites wherever the user is focusing making it a T/S jutsu because its summoned not exspelled from the eyeshttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page013.html

2. sasuke never tried to amaterasu Gaara. Gaara just saved the raikages ass from being engulfed in flames and in the process grabbed up some of amaterasus flames from sasuke amateras/sasanoo shield.

I know its confusing, but remember itachi didnt want sasuke dead which is why he ignited amaterasu infront of sasuke instead of on him, giving sasuke a chance to escape and hendge.


Heres more proof. sasuke Ignited sasanoo in falmes instantly to help protect himself from Rais instant super speed.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page014.html

[The Special One]

1. As I said amaterasu Ignites wherever the user is focusing making it a T/S jutsu because its summoned not exspelled from the eyeshttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page013.html

2. sasuke never tried to amaterasu Gaara. Gaara just saved the raikages ass from being engulfed in flames and in the process grabbed up some of amaterasus flames from sasuke amateras/sasanoo shield.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...4/page012.html

Here it is he used it against Gaara. If it was a space-time transfer it would have instantly set Gaara on black flames however, since Gaara can clearly see Amatearsu approaching him and his allies, he took the effort to shield with the sand.

And yes, Itachi wasn't planning on killing Sasuke however, the Amaterasu can be stopped once it burns, as Itachi put out the flames, and Sasuke put out the flames on the transformed tentacle. Heck, Amaterasu knocked Karin out however, Sasuke put out the flames and saved her.

Amaterasu is not a space time transfer because if it was, Raikage would have been burnt up. Amaterasu is a technique that is only as fast as the sharingan's tracking percision.

[Konnaha_yellow_flash]

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Here it is he used it against Gaara. If it was a space-time transfer it would have instantly set Gaara on black flames however, since Gaara can clearly see Amatearsu approaching him and his allies, he took the effort to shield with the sand.

WHat, it didnt even show sasuke attacking Gaara with amaterasu. And sasuke clearly says block his Enton which is amaterasu shape manipulated and used as an attack, not amaterasu that just ignites on wherever the user is focuing on.

And yes, Itachi wasn't planning on killing Sasuke however, the Amaterasu can be stopped once it burns, as Itachi put out the flames, and Sasuke put out the flames on the transformed tentacle. Heck, Amaterasu knocked Karin out however, Sasuke put out the flames and saved her.

That still doesnt change the fact that AMATERAU Ignites on wherever the user focuses like a summoning, not his Enton that was used on Gaara.

Amaterasu is not a space time transfer because if it was, Raikage would have been burnt up. Amaterasu is a technique that is only as fast as the sharingan's tracking percision.

Raikage dodeged amaterasus instant appearence because hes instantaneuously fast which it explains on the next page. Shi clearly says the flames ignite on the target, not exspell from the MS then chase.


More proof, sasuke ignited amaterasu around sasanoo instantly to protect himself from rias instant speedhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page014.html

[poolangya]

Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

@Poolangya:

Yes, kakashi was expressing how he thought naruto had become supirior to him, but only because he could make a jutsu he couldnt because kakashi doesnt have the chakra reserves, had the strategy to achieve it.

Dont forget its because of kakashis training, startegy that naruto has the FRS and SM. Reverse those roles and have naruto give kakashi his chakra reserves and kakashi has the RRS and SM. Yet, why is naruto supirior to kakashi????

i am not denying the fact that kakashi was the one who taught and trained naruto. but there's no denying the fact that naruto exceeded kakashi. kakashi said so himself. most of the plot in p2 is having the new generation take over, meaning surpassing the older gen, putting a box on naruto's limit skills as a shinobi because he is a student of Kakashi and Kakashi is the teacher is not the case here, nor in real life. Students can exceed their teachers, apprentices might one day surpass their masters. and Naruto just showed that. If you believe otherwise, you'll always be falling behind the shadow of your dad.

[Konnaha_yellow_flash]

Originally Posted by poolangya

i am not denying the fact that kakashi was the one who taught and trained naruto. but there's no denying the fact that naruto exceeded kakashi. kakashi said so himself. most of the plot in p2 is having the new generation take over, meaning surpassing the older gen, putting a box on naruto's limit skills as a shinobi because he is a student of Kakashi and Kakashi is the teacher is not the case here, nor in real life. Students can exceed their teachers, apprentices might one day surpass their masters. and Naruto just showed that. If you believe otherwise, you'll always be falling behind the shadow of your dad.

Just as naruto mastered SM better then Jman and surpassed him, Jman would still hand naruto his ass in real combat. just as naruto surpassed kakashi with the rasengan, kakashi would still hand naruto (base) his ass in combat.

Its not until Naruto gains the FTG that he will be able to beat kakashi (in base form) and Jman in SM while hes in SM as well.

[platinumrug]

Lol, like Sasuke would've survived a raiton wielding leg drop to the dick? Gaara saved both of them from each other's attacks, kinda how Kakashi did to sasuke and naruto during their encounter on the rooftop? I won't deny that Raichu would've gotten crisped from that but still, it saved both. TSO is right though.

[The Special One]

KYF. I only have one more piece of evidence that I want to show. If that's not enough for you to except that Amatearsu doesn't go inbetween dimensions to appear on top of the shinobi instantly, then it'll be clear that you are in denile.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page003.html

As stated by Zetsu (the amazing source of everything) the Amaterasu focuses on the shinobi's position by using the sharingan's tracking, and pin-pointing location speeds, it converges on the shinobi's position. Granted, the closer you are to the sharingan, the more quickly Amatearsu will be on you, but on the flip side, the further you are, the longer it will take for it to be on you.

Read the context of how Zetsu stated converge? It means to approach. When you converge, you move near, or chase until you eventually meet at that point. Not spotaneous surfacing...

And Raikage doesn't use a space-time transfer either. He is just so fast that the Amaterasu couldn't catch up to him.

Body Flicker is physical movement however, it uses chakra to activate the physical reflexes far beyond their natural timing. Some Shinobi uses smoke and leaves to help mask their movements while other's like Raikage don't. Sasuke doesn't mask his body flicker either.

If Amaterasu is space-time transfer, how did Raikage escape? Raikage doesn't go inbetween dimensions, he just exeeded the sharingan's capturing capabilities. If it was spontaneous surfacing, it wouldn't matter how fast Raikage was, it would be on him.

I'll be prepared for the next topic because I'm done with this one.

[Konnaha_yellow_flash]

Originally Posted by platinumrug

Lol, like Sasuke would've survived a raiton wielding leg drop to the dick? Gaara saved both of them from each other's attacks, kinda how Kakashi did to sasuke and naruto during their encounter on the rooftop? I won't deny that Raichu would've gotten crisped from that but still, it saved both. TSO is right though.

OMG, here we go!!!

Gaara saved rai which is why he said he did. He said nothing about saving sasuke though. And how in the hell would a plain body weight leg drop hurt sasuke if rais full speed, full power attack to the back of sasukes neck didnt do that much damage?? Answer, it wouldnt of!!!

Out of all of rais attacks on sasuke the leg drop was undoubtably the weakest. Rai and shi thought sasuke was on the verge of death from rai neck chop yet that didnt do much just like the super power bomb.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...4/page007.html

All this comes down to is naruto vs sasuke. ANd to admit sasuke bested the lead kage while sasuke was at a complete disadvatge is to admit sasuke truly could beat naruto even with SM. And once sasuke masters rais raiton armour then even in SM naruto isnt going to stand much of a chance without the FTG. then it would be an even fight and great fight.

And u agree with TSO about what exactly? Amaterasu??

[poolangya]

Amaterasu won't hit Gaara. period...








...unless Gaara decides to sleep while battling.

[Myth]

Amaterasu is classified as a ninjutsu not time space stop making shit up unless you have solid proof in a a panel calling it that... it is not summoned its casted through the eyes summoning requires hand signs..

and garra can't be hit by amaterasu his sand put that shit out.

[Konnaha_yellow_flash]

[QUOTE=The Special One;1770253]

KYF. I only have one more piece of evidence that I want to show. If that's not enough for you to except that Amatearsu doesn't go inbetween dimensions to appear on top of the shinobi instantly, then it'll be clear that you are in denile.

What?? Did u even bother to read my links. Shi says himself "the flames Ignite on the targte". Then sasuke instantly summons amaterasu again around himself yet ur still arguing with me.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page003.html

As stated by Zetsu (the amazing source of everything) the Amaterasu focuses on the shinobi's position by using the sharingan's tracking, and pin-pointing location speeds, it converges on the shinobi's position. Granted, the closer you are to the sharingan, the more quickly Amatearsu will be on you, but on the flip side, the further you are, the longer it will take for it to be on you.

If zetsus saying what hes seeing then he is right, but its already been explained itachi didnt want sasuke dead!!!! Hes not going to ignite sasuke in flames because that would leave him captain crispy even after a couple seconds!!!

Shi explains it, then sasuke does it!!!

Here shi explains what happens:http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page013.html

Then sasuke shows they do APPEAR:http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page014.html

Thats two links verifying what im saying!!!

Read the context of how Zetsu stated converge? It means to approach. When you converge, you move near, or chase until you eventually meet at that point. Not spotaneous surfacing...

I know what converge means and that might be how itachi uses amaterasu, but sasuke can clearly make it appear on the target, not converge from the eye. Manga, fact as stated and shown.

Ur right about itachis, but Im refering to sasukes in this instance. Maybe itachi wouldnt use amaterasu like sasuke can, IDK. But its for sire sasuke can make them appear on his target as well as chage theyre shape.

And Raikage doesn't use a space-time transfer either. He is just so fast that the Amaterasu couldn't catch up to him.

There in no catch. it just appeared and rai reacted, but because rai was no longer in sasuke field of vision the samurai got hit instead.

Body Flicker is physical movement however, it uses chakra to activate the physical reflexes far beyond their natural timing. Some Shinobi uses smoke and leaves to help mask their movements while other's like Raikage don't. Sasuke doesn't mask his body flicker either.

OK, whats the point of this?? I know raikage is instantly fast, just like a summoning. There was no trick, just pure speed.

If Amaterasu is space-time transfer, how did Raikage escape? Raikage doesn't go inbetween dimensions, he just exeeded the sharingan's capturing capabilities. If it was spontaneous surfacing, it wouldn't matter how fast Raikage was, it would be on him.

Its easy as pie! With rais super reflexes and speed. Rai simply moves out of the spot where the flames appear which is ecatly what he does, look, he leaves an after imagehttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page012.html

Look how the flames got small then got bigger as rai dodged them. Rai just simply moved the moment they appeared in which rais after Image was ignited because sasukes eyes couldnt keep up.

I'll be prepared for the next topic because I'm done with this one.

Thats fine. u proves itachis amaterasu attack converges, but sauskes clearly appears which is even stated.

Originally Posted by poolangya

Amaterasu won't hit Gaara. period...








...unless Gaara decides to sleep while battling.

Yea, but if Gaaras not hidden behind his sand and in sasukes field of vision then Gaara will light up like the fourth of july.


@MYTH:

Summoning is a ninjutsu as well, but its a T/S jutsu. Tsukuyomi is a genjutsu, but because it can control the time and space in the illusion its also a T/S. And sasanoo which is summoned is also a T/S jutsu.

[Myth]

I won't comment since you just called the mks techniques time space jutsu..

never have they been called that and belive me if they were t/s they would have been called that..

[The Special One]

Yeah, let's just move this on. Ok new battle... Tag team!

Tsunade (before camatose obvious) and Shizune vs. Mizukage and Chojuro.

All abilities applies.

GO!

[Konnaha_yellow_flash]

Originally Posted by Myth

I won't comment since you just called the mks techniques time space jutsu..

never have they been called that and belive me if they were t/s they would have been called that..

Sigh, I know its hard to think when u keep trying new and invintive ways to try and prove something Objective to be subjective so Ill explain again.

Amaterasu (as used by sasuke) ignites on the target where the user is focusing. Although a elemental ninjutsu, because the flames are ignited/summoned then its techincaly a T/S jutsu. tsukuyomi although a Genjutsu, the user can control Time and space in the Illusion techinicaly making it as well a T/S jutsu. And last, but not least sasanoo. Becuase it is summoned its a T/S jutsu for sure.

Summoning is a T/S jutsu by use of Blood seal and hand signs also making it a T/S jutsu. And anyother jutsu like the FTG or madaras, kamui that trancends space and time is a T/S jutsu.

[platinumrug]

Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

OMG, here we go!!!

Gaara saved rai which is why he said he did. He said nothing about saving sasuke though. And how in the hell would a plain body weight leg drop hurt sasuke if rais full speed, full power attack to the back of sasukes neck didnt do that much damage?? Answer, it wouldnt of!!!

Out of all of rais attacks on sasuke the leg drop was undoubtably the weakest. Rai and shi thought sasuke was on the verge of death from rai neck chop yet that didnt do much just like the super power bomb.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...4/page007.html

All this comes down to is naruto vs sasuke. ANd to admit sasuke bested the lead kage while sasuke was at a complete disadvatge is to admit sasuke truly could beat naruto even with SM. And once sasuke masters rais raiton armour then even in SM naruto isnt going to stand much of a chance without the FTG. then it would be an even fight and great fight.

And u agree with TSO about what exactly? Amaterasu??

Are you serious dude? That fucking machop to his neck might not have killed him, but it did do some damage, some might say a busted lip, some might say otherwise, it doesn't matter it still did damage.

So what you're telling me is that although Raichu managed to go in between the rib cage of Sasuke's susano'o and managed to hit him directly in his fucking neck with a powered up raiton machop, you're saying an even fuller powered raiton LEG DROP from higher up on the OPEN part of susano'o would NOT have done anything to sasuke? Come on, stop eating your own shit. I didn't fucking say anything like "oh raichu would fuck sasuke up and survive amaterasu" Never said that and never will. Fact remains is that a leg drop from the open part of susano'o where there was more area to hit would've done more fucking damage.